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Epic v. Apple trial outcome, explained

The judge in the Epic v. Apple antitrust trial just handed down her decision, and you might be keeping some extra cash in your pocket because of it. We break down the outcome (and how it could affect you) if you’re an iOS user. Subscribe to CNET: Like us on Facebook: Follow us on Twitter:…

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  1. FLOPEZ200

    September 11, 2021 at 12:53 am

    Not 1st

  2. Clifton Parchment

    September 11, 2021 at 12:54 am

    Epic is run by crooks no wonder they complain so much.

    • Joe

      September 11, 2021 at 1:00 am

      @Kartikey Sharma Hey look, a 9 year old that got brainwashed.

    • Kartikey Sharma

      September 11, 2021 at 1:02 am

      @Joe quiet the irony when apple brainwashed you the moment you enter its ecosystem…
      You also agree with them killing the iphone battery after 2 years right?

    • Joe

      September 11, 2021 at 1:12 am

      @Kartikey Sharma Brainwashed? Yea not to the extent of only using Apple products and crap on Apple’s competitors. I could leave tomorrow If I wanted to.
      Also, that iPhone battery thing isn’t no longer a thing. Bringing that up is akin to the Note 7 situation.

    • Clifton Parchment

      September 11, 2021 at 1:13 am

      Epic should have built their own system and stop leeching off other people’s creativity.

    • evofx

      September 11, 2021 at 1:20 am

      That’s the point. If Epic is allowed to, it might have.

      We won’t know which is better until it’s allowed to.

  3. Joe

    September 11, 2021 at 12:59 am

    Developers and consumers WON, not these mega-corporations. Apple’s refusal to let its users know of alternate methods to make in-app purchases was absurd. And not just bad for developers, but a bad user experience but Epic Games pretending to be a sudden champion for developers consumers is comical at it’s best. Their case was flawed from the jump. Sweeney talking about fighting for developers and consumers against monopolistic practices while taking investments from Tencent and the CCP.

    • jessusdev-fx

      September 11, 2021 at 1:20 am

      Dude, what are you talking about here? get out of your little apple bubble. The way apple it’s running iOS is worse than what Microsoft did back in the 90s, and Microsoft got sued by the department of Justice. If you want to keep paying your 30% apple tax, it’s on you.

  4. Aaron Cross

    September 11, 2021 at 1:03 am

    Well I agree with the Court’s decision I mean I’m not a lawyer but both parties were at fault not offering another payment method and epic sweet move of putting a secondary payment method which kind of broke their contract in the first place but but that’s a good thing the court now found but I’m on Android currently a pixel 4 XL looking upgrade to the new pixel 6 loving it and will not come back to Apple

  5. What The Fisch

    September 11, 2021 at 1:03 am

    Will fortnite come back to the iOS store

    • synonys

      September 11, 2021 at 1:19 am

      The judge said Apple doesn’t have to let Fortnite back on because Epic breached their agreement.
      Apple won.

    • Sheperd Newton

      September 11, 2021 at 1:24 am

      Maybe in 2023😭

  6. JorgeXFBunny P

    September 11, 2021 at 1:15 am

    0:48 I’m sorry Google don’t mess with Epic.

    4:07 Oh Epic knocked out Apple.

    Who knows maybe Epic will make their own Pc systems that are better than Apple.

    Epic Got a Victory. KO

    You Win I believe we will see Epic Game and are store like Walmart sooner or later.

    What a Victory Epic just kick apples, but.

    I think Apple is in embarrassed to the whole entire world that they lost to Epic Game.

  7. evofx

    September 11, 2021 at 1:17 am

    This all applies only to consumers and gamers residing in the United States. 😔

  8. Patricia Diaz

    September 11, 2021 at 1:18 am

    What happen the decromat voter evil capitalism as google,Facebook,Apple as they scream tax the rich give the money to the poor.

  9. Ross

    September 11, 2021 at 1:20 am

    we need that law. Its just crazy that there is one store. Its anti-competitive.

  10. CK Gaming Channel

    September 11, 2021 at 1:20 am

    I bet Apple is the reason Epic gave up on Unreal Tournament. Makes me really detest apple in general.

  11. John Pineda

    September 11, 2021 at 1:21 am

    This lawsuit literally doesn’t do anything against Google since 3rd party appstores exist on android

  12. memWRLD

    September 11, 2021 at 1:21 am

    Finally it’s over.

  13. Carlito Staxx

    September 11, 2021 at 1:26 am

    Anyone know the title of the background music used??

  14. Mr. GARDY

    September 11, 2021 at 1:26 am

    Why Epic don’t make phone to run Fortnite? They can call it Epicphone.

  15. Pieceof Shitzu

    September 11, 2021 at 1:26 am

    Why… Is the music… So LOUD!!!

  16. Giovan Goentoro

    September 11, 2021 at 3:10 pm

    Epic signed the contract with Apple, so I think Epic should know that Apple doesn’t allow other payment outside Appstore (whatever the reasons are) then why Epic break that rule.

    • Cthulhu

      September 11, 2021 at 3:25 pm

      She clearly stated the answer to your question; they needed kicked (aka damage to their business) to file the lawsuit they already had waiting.

    • Giovan Goentoro

      September 11, 2021 at 3:35 pm

      Sry my comment should be “dot” not a “question mark”

      I just want to emphasize because I won’t do it if I were Epic..

    • DSN 1

      September 11, 2021 at 6:50 pm

      English?

  17. Heat Club 9

    September 11, 2021 at 3:16 pm

    In the long run, Epic is the one who lost. They shot themselves in the foot.

    • Fill Freakin

      September 11, 2021 at 5:57 pm

      In the short run. In the long run this will open up the game distribution market on phones and allow Epic to keep a greater share of its revenue.

  18. Cthulhu

    September 11, 2021 at 3:33 pm

    Still kind of baffled how Apple gets away with this. How is a phone different from a PC?
    Imagine if every program, app or game for PC had to pay Microsoft 30% of all profits because it runs on a windows OS.

    • Luong Nguyen

      September 11, 2021 at 4:05 pm

      Huh? That’s how almost every App Store operates from steam, ps4, Xbox. That’s basically the industry standard

  19. kimidam

    September 11, 2021 at 3:43 pm

    Who is she?

  20. Adam Katalak

    September 11, 2021 at 3:45 pm

    The only way for a consumer to win is not to play!

  21. Sharon B.

    September 11, 2021 at 3:52 pm

    Epic wanted its own App Store inside the App Store without paying a dime. They were only mad they could not get to APPLE’S entire base. They would have signed exclusive deals, charged 30% AND sold your personal data. Most people saw this so Epic put it’s most persuasive argument of payment options in the forefront. No way was an Epic win ever great for Apple consumers. So glad about this outcome. Customers are now free to use outside payment options.

  22. Filbert Marandu

    September 11, 2021 at 4:05 pm

    🤔 Interesting

  23. Fill Freakin

    September 11, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    I wonder if this will start affecting iPhone sales if Epic stays off of Apple app store. Fortnite players might opt out of upgrading to a new iPhone if they can’t play one of their favourite game on it. It will likely be a small amount of players at first, but if Epic games stay popular and those people start buying Android devices to keep playing on the latest device then Apple might start losing its cool factor among phone gamers. If enough of these people are influencers, it could have a trickle down effect and create a more general move to Android.

    • Fill Freakin

      September 11, 2021 at 10:27 pm

      @SH DMD No, Apple wouldn’t have noticed yet. It was too new a fight last year to affect many sales. Apple’s Fortnite gamers will only think about it when they are ready to upgrade to a new phone. So it would take a couple of years before it starts affecting those gamers’ purchasing decision.
      Don’t forget that a big part of what made iOS more successful than Android in the early smartphone days was the availability of more apps in the Apple store, specially big name apps. Fortnite, and Epic Games, are pretty big names. Even so, it will be pretty hard for this spat to create enough of an effect for Apple to start noticing it in their sales. It would likely take a few other key players to do the same, like Spotify and Netflix. But they are unlikely to have the deep pockets or taste for such a fight.

    • SH DMD

      September 11, 2021 at 10:32 pm

      @Fill Freakin lol if they want to walk around school with Android when all their classmates have iPhone because of Fortnite, let them

      Look at Golden YouTube video, many are leaving Fortnite Mobile

      Apple is already looking for Fortnite replacement. Lol

    • Fill Freakin

      September 11, 2021 at 11:40 pm

      @SH DMD You just have to look at how Photoshop and dorky digital creatives that used it on iMacs became outsized influencers and saved a floundering Apple from extinction in the 90’s. Even a small number of people can become tipping points. Gamers might just be this generation of youths’ biggest influencers.

    • SH DMD

      September 11, 2021 at 11:44 pm

      @Fill Freakin Most gamers that don’t use their parents money don’t play Fortnite and Tim Weenie is the idiot here , not Apple lol

    • Andy_T:p

      September 12, 2021 at 12:34 am

      The games gonna die sooner or later anyway

  24. Ramses Garcia

    September 11, 2021 at 5:54 pm

    A big mistake here is thinking apple wont get paid if they link out. The court said apple still needs to get paid.

  25. iswhatitisbadwords makenomistakewrong

    September 11, 2021 at 6:38 pm

    SHOW ME THAT THE DEVELOPERS GET MORE PAY! IF NOT EPIC IS GREEDY WRONG!

  26. Nate Fifty Standards

    September 11, 2021 at 7:01 pm

    Beautiful woman. I enjoy watching her speak

  27. glennxi

    September 11, 2021 at 7:24 pm

    Ever since Apple was intentionally slowing down phones in order to force people to upgrade… Apple products never again…

  28. RB

    September 11, 2021 at 7:50 pm

    Whats up with the annoying loud music?

  29. Mr. Pool

    September 11, 2021 at 8:57 pm

    Thank you for clearing it up!

  30. DJ EMAX

    September 11, 2021 at 9:19 pm

    4:27 hey that my birthday date

  31. James Ryan

    September 11, 2021 at 10:55 pm

    Ty for explaining this. I suspect that Apple will try and implement a developer charge for downloads of apps, or for updates, over a threshold of downloads/instances. We shall see

  32. Ebonix33

    September 11, 2021 at 10:57 pm

    So is fortnite coming back to apple?

  33. MR.

    September 11, 2021 at 11:02 pm

    👍🏾 keep feeding your family boo boo bear 🐨

  34. dman7895

    September 11, 2021 at 11:05 pm

    Attorney who follows tech like crazy here: The ruling was good for Epic but “I can’t switch to Android for mobile gaming judge because I’m locked into the ecosystem! My air tags don’t work with android and android is spyware anyway” so I would’ve defined the market much much more for epic. Ecosystem lock in is huge and allows Apple to coast and slack. I would’ve probably found them an illegal monopolist. There’s many good pieces of evidence of their lack of effort due to no incentive to try. I love Apple products but they fall behind the curve of innovation, despite… lemme check…. Hmm all the resources of a $2.5 trillion market cap

  35. ASAP Rocky

    September 11, 2021 at 11:35 pm

    Why? Why should Epic have any say in how Apple runs its Apple Store? Pay to occupy space and delivery from the Apple Store. Simple. Don’t like it, don’t cry … move along under your own power, not by hijacking the Apple Store for a free ride. Apple shouldn’t have to carry water for Epic. Let Epic open and maintain it’s own store, advertise on social media, on the ‘Net, in the Press, wherever, and have nothing to do with Apple. Who cares? Big elephant in the room… When developers write code that runs on Apple devices, don’t they owe some debt of gratitude to Apple’s development and engineering department? Is the Apple platform to be just taken for granted, as though it doesn’t cost Apple anything to maintain and improve it? Software developers get to use the different layers of code that Apple engineers to run on its devices. It’s a symbiotic relationship, and Epic sounds like they just want to show up for a free meal at Apple’s expense, then go off to their own hosted suite to collect from their clients who run Epic software. There’s an entry fee, Epic. Pay it or don’t enter. You don’t get to crash in, pig out, then leave to collect fees for your wares out in the parking lot.

  36. Mic Halliday

    September 11, 2021 at 11:42 pm

    great presentation!

  37. Encrypt

    September 12, 2021 at 12:50 am

    I am nervous this sets a precedent. could this effect the console marketplace stores? I know they sell hardware at a loss and make up revenue from their digital stores.

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  38. Ozk Flx

    September 12, 2021 at 12:51 am

    Both greedy. We just want to enjoy the game.

  39. MrKrabs

    September 12, 2021 at 1:27 am

    music was unnecessary.

  40. Jae H. Sim

    September 12, 2021 at 1:31 am

    Folks, go outside and live by yourselves. Just please don’t come back like early days when you need a platform like app stores.

  41. Ivan A. Trollyouski

    September 12, 2021 at 1:59 am

    I couldn’t play or give epic any money for over a year and still going.. way to go epic!

  42. jason Sfive

    September 12, 2021 at 2:38 am

    fort nite is not a game…

  43. tidusfantasy

    September 12, 2021 at 4:08 am

    if Epic games hate apple and google so much, then dont use their system. Tons of games r not on mobile OS. If they want to use mobile platform, then pay those companies who facilitated their platforms…Simple as that… I dont see many pokemon games on my iphone? Yet best selling games generation after generations…

  44. ahall3823

    September 12, 2021 at 7:16 am

    I don’t think you’re quite reading this correctly. The court ruled that Apple is still owed its commission, which is 30% as per The contract between developers and Apple. The courts are very reluctant to step in on business arrangements such as the 30% cut. So, what we will see are changes to the way revenue is collected. If you decide to pay for something outside the app, you’ll still need to pay 30% to Apple. Two payments required, or just pay one payment to Apple and Apple all pay the developer.

    • Ramann

      September 13, 2021 at 6:19 pm

      YOU clearly didn’t understood anything. Apple owned its 30% commission from *EPIC GAMES* from the time it enabled third party payment method.

      It’s all in 6:41

    • ahall3823

      September 13, 2021 at 9:01 pm

      @Ramann Apple is still owed 30% of all revenue as per the contract. Many major news outlets have incorrectly editorialised the judgement. For some reason it’s being reported that outside app payments will remove the requirement for developers to pay Apple a 30% cut. That is wrong.

  45. jufu

    September 12, 2021 at 9:41 am

    The whole time, the fortnite mobile community is waiting and waiting and waiting

  46. Motosir Ali

    September 12, 2021 at 11:36 am

    Imagine if MS Windows didn’t allow you to download programs from the internet and only allowed you to get them through their app store and charged 30% commision and prevented other app stores from being run on the OS. Microsoft would get done for anti-trust, heck they got done for Anti-trust for bunlding internet explorer for free, why is Apple being treated with kid gloves?

    • lolo mo

      September 13, 2021 at 7:19 am

      Microsoft is doing that with xbox. I dont see any anti trust hate like you claim.

  47. ZoltanoMoltano

    September 12, 2021 at 11:56 am

    4:14 how about eBay:)? will this be implemented there if we sue them:)?

  48. ZoltanoMoltano

    September 12, 2021 at 12:00 pm

    7:42 nope, just like eBay did not cut the fees when they got PayPal booted from their marketplace. There was a 1% discount for customers:) Epic or anybody else will do the same, theyll cut a few percentage, enough to sway users but not cut 30% for sure

    • Ramann

      September 13, 2021 at 6:21 pm

      Nah, i expect more from Epic.

  49. William Allen

    September 12, 2021 at 1:17 pm

    This isn’t an objective analysis. Try cutting the snark.

  50. Dr.Jekyll

    September 12, 2021 at 2:32 pm

    big corporarions are evil until she become one. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

  51. Bletwort

    September 12, 2021 at 3:06 pm

    Can’t hear you over the music

  52. immeatom

    September 12, 2021 at 4:27 pm

    Totally appreciate this explanation. Thank you for providing this.

  53. Suha Samihah

    September 12, 2021 at 11:53 pm

    So no Fortnite anymore ?

  54. mrconcept

    September 13, 2021 at 12:01 am

    Apple has become the most disgusting company i’ve seen in my lifetime. They put out trash products at treble the cost and manipulate the naive, ill informed / gullible consumer base into thinking they are decent. No. You’be been had. It’s highly depressing to watch the sheeple all scream how they need a mac when there are things out there twice as good at the third of the price. Then they rounded up their herd and said ‘you all can only use our monetary systems’ – ‘If you make more money than we say you’re allowed to then we get a cut’. That is called being a PROTECTION RACKET. Aka GANGSTERS. Aka MAFIA. People are dumb AF

  55. Jack Martinelli

    September 13, 2021 at 12:12 am

    Years ago I wrote software – gaming software – that ran on both Mac & Windows. It sold world wide without paying Apple or Microsoft a penny. Why pay now? They suck at marketing anything but their own software and demand more than ordinary marketing costs. … This reminds me of Tom Sawyer charging his friends to paint his fence.

  56. Jared Allister

    September 13, 2021 at 2:44 am

    “In such a hypothetical world, developers could potentially avoid the commission while benefitting from Apple’s innovation and intellectual property free of charge. The Court presumes that in such circumstances that Apple may rely on imposing and utilizing a contractual right to audit developers annual accounting to ensure compliance with its commissions, among other methods. Of course, any alternatives to IAP (including the foregoing) would seemingly impose both increased monetary and time costs to both Apple and the developers.”
    That sound to me even if developers link outside Apple’s IAP system, Apple can (and likely will) still collect its 30% commission.

  57. rajendra thombare

    September 13, 2021 at 2:48 am

    Your eyes are beautiful just like U

  58. Jenna Kathleen

    September 13, 2021 at 3:21 am

    Please caption your videos so your content is accessible to everyone…

  59. Jenna Kathleen

    September 13, 2021 at 3:27 am

    Both of these companies are being extremely selfish… Us iOS players should still have access to Fortnite…

  60. sunny mittra

    September 13, 2021 at 7:18 am

    Why don’t Apple & Google won’t take cut when these Games and Apps earning just because of ecosystem created and maintained by Apple & Google !
    This is absolutely nonsense reasoning from developers.

  61. SR_07

    September 13, 2021 at 8:56 am

    It’s definitely not 30% cut from the developers maybe a 10% discount enough to make customers use the third party payment method. In the end it all comes down what matters more to a person money or ease of use .

  62. hsin tien

    September 13, 2021 at 12:44 pm

    I’m surprised apple have not acquired epic yet. They have so much money in the bank

  63. Keith Walker

    September 13, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    First time watching her.. She’s awesome!!!

  64. Bob Smith

    September 13, 2021 at 10:38 pm

    Apple is so freaking greedy
    put chargers back in the box

  65. Daddy Dise

    September 13, 2021 at 11:15 pm

    Can I get the name of the background track? I like it a lot

  66. Pellude

    September 14, 2021 at 12:08 am

    Well the way I see it is, if you pay someone to use their billboard, and then decide to rent out the billboard yourself, you face consequences

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