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The psychology of inequality and political division | Keith Payne

Visit to get our entire library of TED Talks, transcripts, translations, personalized talk recommendations and more. “If we want to fix our politics, we have to do something about inequality,” says social psychologist Keith Payne. Showing how economic inequality changes the way people see and behave towards one another, Payne helps explain the rise of…

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“If we want to fix our politics, we have to do something about inequality,” says social psychologist Keith Payne. Showing how economic inequality changes the way people see and behave towards one another, Payne helps explain the rise of the political polarization that’s slicing up society — and challenges us to think twice the next time we dismiss someone for the sake of politics.

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  1. richie lee

    October 5, 2020 at 10:00 pm

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  2. Wei Chen

    October 5, 2020 at 10:03 pm

    This guy doesn’t understand the economics and realities of the world and it shows. Inequality is the inevitable consequence of a free trade society.

    • Major Old Lady aka, Mom

      October 5, 2020 at 10:39 pm

      @Wei Chen Amen and Amen!

    • Olivia Mahe

      October 5, 2020 at 10:42 pm

      @Wei Chen the first meaningful part is to reconise that everyone tends to think that anyone else that disagree with them is incompetent and an idiot. We should always remenber that psychologically, when we are the “wealthiest”, we tend to think that it’s meritocracy (our competence only) and forget that we had more help and chance in life than others. And when we are among the poors, we tend to think that the system is rigged and we disengage from politics and let the top 1% deal with it. And either ways, neither of us are ready to build a more peaceful society where most people benefit.

    • Wei Chen

      October 5, 2020 at 10:47 pm

      @Olivia Mahe sure, that’s possible in Denmark, but as a whole in terms of America? It’s far more complicated as convoluted in terms of achieving unity, as America has so many more problems than that of Denmark.

    • Olivia Mahe

      October 5, 2020 at 10:59 pm

      @Wei Chen Of course! Even France. But I really can’t see other ways that could be easier to achieve peace. When I hear about America I sometimes wonder if I will ever come back for some vacations (I’ m not thr only one). And in France I keep informing myself about how the jews found themselves trapped during the last war: then I check the economy and the overall people’s reactions to foreigners presence in the country (I want to know when it’s time to find a secure place). I used to think I’m paranoid even though I learned with my studies that “it won’t happen again” . Now i tend to think that we might be waiting for a totalitarian to authorise such thing and only shift scapegoat…

    • Mike C

      October 5, 2020 at 11:52 pm

      There is no such thing as free trade.
      And society is far from being a meritocracy.

  3. Pvt. Shifty

    October 5, 2020 at 10:03 pm

    As someone who has been mocked for majoring in Sociology to gain a better understanding of both the systemic and the social inequalities after a chaotic experience in social services, thank-you so much for highlighting the multitude of fallacies that unnecessarily slow down positive social progression from the micro- to the macro-level.

    • Fred Dobbs

      October 5, 2020 at 10:14 pm

      @Pvt. Shifty, I too majored in a curriculum that had nap time and graded in puffy stickers. It was called kindergarten.

    • Pvt. Shifty

      October 5, 2020 at 10:20 pm

      @Fred Dobbs Here’s some life advice that you seem to need: Pull your head out of your rear-end to avoid both your opinions and the opinions of others smelling like fecal matter. The fact of the matter is that everything will smell terrible if you keep your keep stuck up there. Also, I would normally try to convince you otherwise and potentially open your eyes to a new perspective, however, I adamantly try to avoid starting a battle of whits against an unarmed person. So good luck with supporting the theory of Darwinism–I have faith that you will be successful.

    • Fred Dobbs

      October 5, 2020 at 10:23 pm

      @Pvt. Shifty, who says a Sociology degree isn’t worth the time and effort?! You go, girl!

  4. Andrew Hart

    October 5, 2020 at 10:08 pm

    Well said 🙂

  5. The Daily Dose

    October 5, 2020 at 10:08 pm

    A timely lecture.

    • The Daily Dose

      October 5, 2020 at 10:08 pm

      The divide continues to spread.

    • Regan Parenton

      October 5, 2020 at 10:20 pm

      @The Daily Dose sure does. Filmed it

  6. Major Old Lady aka, Mom

    October 5, 2020 at 10:14 pm

    Good God Almighty!

    So nice to have a platform of intellects amongst us, right?

    Calms the brain down to know that there are actually sane people in this World today.

    Thank you, fellow commenters and TED, for restoring my sanity… at least a few times per week, right people? 🤗

    Thank you!
    Thank you!!
    Thank you!!!

    Stay safe and well, to you and yours, from your adopted mom/sister somewhere near Seattle and around the World.

  7. troy milton

    October 5, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    I dont want to be rich.. i jst dont want to be the mercy of an employer for survival.. universal basic income*

    Is that to much to ask?

    • Regan Parenton

      October 5, 2020 at 10:20 pm

      Nope.

    • Major Old Lady aka, Mom

      October 5, 2020 at 10:23 pm

      It would be a great idea, but they call that anarchism, socialism, not a democracy?

    • Duncan MacLennan

      October 5, 2020 at 11:18 pm

      amen

    • WC_2 Electric_Boogaloo

      October 6, 2020 at 1:17 am

      Yes, it is a terrible idea.

  8. Jeff Censored!

    October 5, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    FIGHT THE SCAMDEMIC!!! RESIST THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

    • Bron Bettis

      October 6, 2020 at 12:13 am

      I’m surprised someone with such an idiotic mindset is watching this video, maybe you didn’t pay attention?

    • WC_2 Electric_Boogaloo

      October 6, 2020 at 1:27 am

      The caps do not help at all.

  9. Regan Parenton

    October 5, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    I filmed a short video on how it feels to live in one of the most unequal times in America:

  10. hanane ait ait

    October 5, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    بغينة ترجمة بلعربي 🇲🇦

  11. spaz tor

    October 5, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    The world is a nasty place

  12. cand afn

    October 5, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    Subtitel indo please

  13. Krunoslav Stifter

    October 5, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    “Captured by the ideological animus, both socialist and liberal-democratic art abandoned the criterion of beauty – considered anachronistic and of dubious political value – and replaced it with the criterion of correctness. …egalitarianism and despotism do not exclude each other, but usually go hand in hand.

    To a certain degree, equality invites despotism, because in order to make all members of a society equal, and then to maintain this equality for a long period of time, it is necessary to equip the controlling institutions with exceptional power so they can stamp out any potential threat to equality in every sector of the society and any aspect of human life: to paraphrase a well-known sentence by one of Dostoyevsky’s characters, ‘We start with absolute equality and we end up with absolute despotism.’ Some call it a paradox of equality: the more equality one wants to introduce, the more power one must have; the more power one has, the more one violates the principle of equality; the more one violates the principle of equality, the more one is in a position to make the world egalitarian.

    Liberal democracy is a powerful unifying mechanism, blurring differences between people and imposing uniformity of views, behavior, and language. But it does not require much effort to see that the dialogue in liberal democracy is of a peculiar kind because its aim is to maintain the domination of the mainstream and not to undermine it. A deliberation is believed to make sense only if the mainstream orthodoxy is sure to win politically. Today’s ‘dialogue’ politics are a pure form of the right-is-might politics, cleverly concealed by the ostentatiously vacuous rhetoric of all-inclusiveness.

    The illusion they cherish of being a brave minority heroically facing the whole world, false as it is, gives them nevertheless a strange sense of comfort: they feel absolutely safe, being equipped with the most powerful political tools in today’s world but at the same time priding themselves on their courage and decency, which are more formidable the more awesome the image of the enemy becomes.

    The ideological man is thus both absolutely suspicious and absolutely enthusiastic. There seems to be no idea under the sun that he would not put into question and make an object of derision, skepticism, or contempt, no idea that he would not reduce to an offshoot of hidden instincts, mundane interests, biological drives, and psychological complexes. Hence he is likely to despise reason as an autonomous faculty, to downgrade lofty ideals, and to debunk the past, seeing everywhere the same ideological mystification.

    But at the same time, he lives in a constant state of mobilization for a better world. His mouth is full of noble slogans about brotherhood, freedom, and justice, and with every word he makes it clear that he knows which side is right and that he is ready to sacrifice his entire existence for the sake of its victory. The peculiar combination of both attitudes–merciless distrust and unwavering affirmation–gives him an incomparable sense of moral self-confidence and intellectual self-righteousness.”

    ― Ryszard Legutko, The Demon in Democracy: Totalitarian Temptations in Free Societies

  14. Zebedee Dougal

    October 5, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    Very well said Sir. I’m a Republican by instinct but absolutely support your thesis. Give everyone a tailwind and understand, and reduce, the headwind. If we unite in common cause we can build a better lives for ourselves and, ultimately, the world.

    • Bron Bettis

      October 6, 2020 at 12:06 am

      Wdym republican by instinct.

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    October 5, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    God bless America and my good friend @jonathanfx_trades On Instagram. He is the best Forex Trader ever. $42k profit is no joke.

  16. Mike C

    October 5, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    Elitist have been using this psychology to divide and control the masses for many centuries.
    In the west this has become an art.
    Americans are the most divided and narrow minded people in the world and all think the other side is insane.

    • Bron Bettis

      October 6, 2020 at 12:01 am

      An American can second this^

    • WC_2 Electric_Boogaloo

      October 6, 2020 at 1:24 am

      Objectively a lot are. One side hushes their conspiracy theorists while the other props them up as fact.

  17. Jared Hunter

    October 5, 2020 at 11:28 pm

    If you haven’t trusted Jesus Christ as your savior, let today be the day of salvation. He shed His blood to pay our debt once for all our sins past present and future. They were all future over 2000 yrs ago. The moment you trust Him as your savior you receive eternal life and His Holy Spirit indwells you until the day of redemption. He says all who believe on Him will never perish and no man can pluck you out of His hands. The gospel is located in 1 Corinthians 15 1-4 How that Christ died for our sins was buried and rose again the third day!

  18. lauren1056

    October 5, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    Anyone know the history of the government cheese he mentioned?

    • WC_2 Electric_Boogaloo

      October 6, 2020 at 1:23 am

      Presumably that’s it.

  19. Darren Walker

    October 5, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    The wealthy don’t live on wage income. So, pay equality won’t change that.
    Irregardless of one’s income, everyone has the right to fair access to natural resources. It is that injustice that causes poverty and oppression; and how the wealthy maintain their status.

  20. Mutant Buzzard

    October 5, 2020 at 11:56 pm

    The only way to make everyone “economically equal” is to make everyone poor, “Thou shall not covet” be grateful for what u have and it will b more than enough,

  21. neoshinok

    October 6, 2020 at 12:01 am

    The most significant part is that poor people are less likely to participate in politics. The rich know this and it gives them every incentive to keep people poor, expand the wealth gap and for our politicians to ignore the needs of the people and cater to their wealthy donors.

  22. Nick Kontz

    October 6, 2020 at 12:12 am

    so bend the knee to the well off was the payoff? ? ? ? ? hello? ? ? ?

  23. Marcos Luna

    October 6, 2020 at 12:45 am

    This was refreshing- genuine talk about inequality. As opposed to lazy critical theory.

  24. Vicky Vazquez

    October 6, 2020 at 12:56 am

    If we could only recognize that by appreciating this variability between groups, we can strengthen the connection we have with ourselves, others, and the earth. Thank you for this.

  25. Elvisitor

    October 6, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    Oh my… I felt below average in every example he mentioned.

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    October 6, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    I’m single 😥😥😥😥😥

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    October 6, 2020 at 1:04 pm

    *WHERE IS MASK?*

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      October 6, 2020 at 2:24 pm

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  29. JAKE JACKSON LINO

    October 6, 2020 at 1:06 pm

    *-BREATH-*

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    October 6, 2020 at 1:07 pm

    _-NO-_

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    October 6, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    WHY NO KOREAN TRANSLATE?

  32. Guillermo Brand

    October 6, 2020 at 1:20 pm

    una basura de charla

  33. Clive Hewitt

    October 6, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    Very sketchy details on his social experiment. Why didnt he include them in his talk? It would have took an extra minute at most.Number of participants, precise questions asked , political views prior to and after the experiment. Then why repeat the same experiment to ask more questions about their opinions about political opponents and then somehow insinuate that people on the right are more dismissive of their political opponents than people on the left. That’s definitely not the case with the left on sociial media.
    His experiment seems to be a left wing fantasy delivered to a TED audience that will believe everything he says.

  34. Anabelle Francis

    October 6, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    Nice 36:14 🍌🍌🍌🍌

  35. Julia Henriques

    October 6, 2020 at 2:15 pm

    I’m above average in life. Lots of hard work, lots of luck. To me what stands out is how poisonous most elite mentalities inevitably become. The only solution is inevitable: continuously purging elites like the social disease they are.

    — Make their privileges available to all.
    – Through full universal scientific education in the case of academic & technocratic elites, for example, or mandatory universal sharing of technicque and training in the case of athletes, etc.

    — Strip them of their power
    – Through HEAVY progressive taxation, planned economy, or mandatory co-op enterprise in the case of economic elites.
    – Through direct democracy, predominant local authority, and popular budget oversight and veto power in the case of political elites.
    – Through universal police training & policing authority, universal juri selection, and popular vote of no confidence to carreer public servants in the case of state apparatus elites.
    – Through absolute state laicism and the banning of religious propaganda outside religious spaces in the case of religious elites. No religious broadcast, no door to door missionaries, no preaching in public spaces. Atheism bias has been tried, and it just wasn’t attractive enough. Just allow everything, but make it harder and harder for religious discourse to infect public discourse.

    All elites are harmful in the long run. Let no short term gain in motivation fool you. No human being deserves to have power over others.

  36. Nstone53

    October 6, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    This really hit home for me. My dad is upper middle class but he wasn’t always. He dropped me off to live with his mother when I was 8 till I was 15. He went on to go back to college, and get a engineering degree that was paid for by the company he was working at part time. He rose up the ranks to go from poverty to the status he has today. Recently retired and makes about 90K a year after retirement.
    He always rants at me on never having a career. I never had parents to rely on. I moved out of state and raised a kid alone with my husband. We live in poverty but we make it work. We never ask for help. But my dad still has the gall to state “I did it! why can’t you?!” Without acknowledging that he had so much help in the process. He’s a firm believer of “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.”

  37. Shanaya Holmes

    October 6, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    I’m single 😥😥😥😥😥

  38. aristochat3

    October 6, 2020 at 4:14 pm

    Checks early life…..

  39. Nancy Nielsen

    October 6, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    Need lovely 😍💋 💝💖❤️

  40. Pandaboi

    October 6, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    It’s shocking to learn that being given money and being told you earnt it is enough to make people cast aside any shred of compassion. Human beings are animals.

    • Pandaboi

      October 8, 2020 at 11:46 am

      ​@Kosch KX This is money everyone’s paying though, except the poor, so it’s taking money from the rich, then giving most of it back to the rich, and giving a tiny bit of it to the poor, in a way that provides for a better service. Public healthcare is a system which benefits everyone except the super-wealthy, the US is one of the few countries with fully privatised healthcare and it ranks as the worst in the developed world. Taking from the rich and giving most of it back to the rich and a little to the poor is just the same as giving money to a poor except everyone gets mandatory health insurance and the healthcare system becomes more effective on account of the political influence of a nation.

      I think democracy is fine in premise, not so good in execution. It needs a population that is interested not in politics beyond just hatred for the other wing.

    • Kosch KX

      October 8, 2020 at 11:50 am

      @Pandaboi
      Where I live, Rich dentists with 3 story houses are eligible for money to take care of their kids. There were homeless people sleeping on the bus stop benches, so the city removed the benches. So all of us people without cars got to stand.

      I had to do overtime for weeks, sometimes staying at work until after midnight because a guy has pollen allergy or like the girl I work with being sad that her boyfriend broke up with her. This is what is considered fair in Europe. Last month there were a few days I am up until 4 in the morning working, sleep a few hours then go back to work. We aren’t paid overtime.

      I can see first hand. The people pat themselves on the back for their political opinions. Really they are just interested in a nice environment for themselves. Most people are selfish just in a different way, and you end up with a different set of problems.

      I am originally from the US. I live in europe now for a quarter of my life.

    • Kosch KX

      October 8, 2020 at 12:31 pm

      @Pandaboi
      The service is better yes, but it isn’t so much better than it justifies tampering with the world largest economy. If that has drastic consequences that won’t just be hurting americans.

      There is a reason that Spain can shut down for COVID harder than Germany can.

    • Pandaboi

      October 8, 2020 at 2:16 pm

      @Kosch KX The US can have two problems. But actually, yes, income inequality isn’t a problem. The problem is wealth inequality, the people who have 173 billion dollars, who get millions per year simply because they have money in the first place, the people using their vast sums of money to push politics to help them keep their vast swathes of money. I don’t have an issue with income inequality as long as nobody starves or has nowhere to sleep where they won’t be arrested for sleeping. Ideology is also a problem, they’re so hung up on generalizations like “the democrats are bad” or “the republicans are bad” or “cars are freedom” or “socialism is tyranny” that they just keep pushing themselves further down the rabbit hole and now they have Trump, who is probably the worst case scenario president.

      Yes, in some places the rich can receive welfare too (which is fine if the poor get just as much, and the rich do pay their taxes) and park benches being removed to sweep homelessness under the rug is a real issue. But taking away welfare won’t help with either of those issues, and in fact would just make both of them worse.

      To implement public healthcare in the US, it would be much better done in an individual state than it would be in the country as a whole, it’s very unlikely though with the plutocratic mess that is the US.

    • Kosch KX

      October 8, 2020 at 3:00 pm

      ​@Pandaboi
      Right, we don’t have one single program for all of Europe. Germany is not the same as the UK or France.

  41. Yolanda Mccrea

    October 6, 2020 at 5:01 pm

    That government cheese is the best tasting cheese ever.

  42. Yuly Martinez

    October 6, 2020 at 5:04 pm

    Thanks so much 🥰I would like to do these programs in Spanish, many people could enjoy so much important and necessary information,

  43. Beatriz Mccarthy

    October 6, 2020 at 5:41 pm

    Woow woow 😍💋 💝💖❤️

  44. Tadeusz

    October 6, 2020 at 6:12 pm

    there are no people equal to each other, everyone is different in many important respects;

  45. Md Rony

    October 6, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    1:47 my whole life changed with the help of, *p a i d t o b e h o m e .c o m*

  46. john smith

    October 6, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    “A government large enough to give you everything you want, is large enough to take everything you have!!”…THOMAS JEFFERSON

  47. Ikra Snyder

    October 6, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    2:32 I like that😍💋 💝💖❤️

  48. StingerBλte

    October 6, 2020 at 8:20 pm

    No more socialism for banksters!

  49. crunk4124

    October 7, 2020 at 12:33 am

    jesus, americans are fighting in this comment section too !

    • Kosch KX

      October 8, 2020 at 9:20 am

      How is that even possible? They are well-off enough to be using the internet. Or how many people are at the library right now so they can argue? :/

  50. Deependu Ajish

    October 7, 2020 at 6:03 am

    The polarization has increased because the democrats have shifted toward radical left. Republicans have shifted to right too but not nearly to same extent.

  51. NotMeButAnother

    October 7, 2020 at 1:43 pm

    Good talk and all, but where’s the incentive for people profiting from an unfair system to change that system? Appeals to compassion are as cheap as they’re useless.

  52. pat mail

    October 7, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    gauchisme ?

  53. Kosch KX

    October 8, 2020 at 8:55 am

    I was never even middle class in America, but the helping hand that keeps my family from staving to death has always been someone more well off who has business and gives us work. I will feel qualified to judge this people when I have the skills required to run a business of my own. Then I can tell you if I think the economic inequality is so unfair that it is what actually causes the division. So far, I don’t think that is the real reason. I think there are poor people who think they should be the ones running the show, when they have so little experience with money. Let them manage their own household first and then I will tell you if I think they should have power.

    Not every rich person is looking down on the poor. And not every poor person is envious. The trouble makers and their arrogance are the problem, not the inequality. Why did you feel envious in the lunch line at school? You were being fed.

  54. R.J. Ehlert

    October 8, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    I believe that one of the major hurdles to reform, are people who are very well off, because their job is one in which they constantly tell the “have-nots” that it’s the “other party’s fault” that their hard work hasn’t paid off yet.

    Talking Heads can make a lot of money convincing the oppressed to hate other people who are oppressed.

  55. Zeek Q

    October 10, 2020 at 5:40 am

    Could you bring this talk to the WHO and all the politicians. Nothing has changed in the world after your very well put together speech. It’s easier to eradicate life than to feed it an keep it healthy. Greed rules and unless we for a new way of economy things could only get worse.

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