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dvxAznxvb
June 5, 2023 at 8:12 pm
It’s not pro when its only pcie 4
I would of thought they would of put in at least 2 pcie 4×16 but that is a pipe dream; perhaps not enough bandwidth to even run AI on Mac pros now until they do a refresh
micknightmare
June 5, 2023 at 8:15 pm
every time I look at an apple desktop I picture landfills full of them. they are so wasteful. it’s like a piece of furniture you toss away. SAD. apple sucks
ronch182
June 5, 2023 at 8:18 pm
But most importantly are the 800$ wheels still available?!
bluebird
June 5, 2023 at 8:32 pm
its $400 now 😁
TVCH LORD
June 6, 2023 at 12:25 am
@bluebirdthat’s a dealbreaker. Why would they lower the price
Keon Park
June 5, 2023 at 8:25 pm
great video! shame no new apple display to go with mac studio and/or mac pro.
E.O
June 5, 2023 at 8:30 pm
Quick & full of information
Husker Bluejay
June 5, 2023 at 8:34 pm
The fact that they advertise this as $6,999 shows you the level of psychological manipulation these companies use, even towards high end customers.
drew 876
June 6, 2023 at 4:23 pm
I always round up anyways
MrCopy
June 6, 2023 at 4:56 pm
Any company that wants to sell will put $6999.99 instead of $7000
Daniel Suzuki
June 5, 2023 at 8:35 pm
Can anyone tell me what speakers were paired with the Mac Studio in these shots?
Harry Smiles
June 5, 2023 at 9:43 pm
Genelec I believe
송랩 [SONGLAB]
June 5, 2023 at 9:49 pm
Genelec 8030C
moontecker
June 5, 2023 at 8:44 pm
What is the point of getting Mac Pro while you have Mac Studio? They both have same M2 Ultra chip. You can max the Mac Studio for much cheaper price than getting Mac Pro itself which gonna be at least over $10K. I don’t see paying ton of extra money just for PCIe slots. This is one of most depression thing that Apple ever did. They should had waited for Mac Pro.
Ex Tra
June 6, 2023 at 1:27 am
Yeah they should’ve at least dropped the price, it’s paying thousands more just for the privilege of expandability
JustAsSimple
June 5, 2023 at 8:47 pm
But hey, the wheels are *$400*
Jason
June 5, 2023 at 8:54 pm
When Apple releases an absurd VR Goggle thing that is $3500 and you realizing that its less waste of money than Mac Pro. 😬
fatcrruise
June 6, 2023 at 1:51 am
Hololens is pricier
MrCopy
June 6, 2023 at 5:00 pm
@fatcrruise Hololens is 3500 as well.
DJ IronChef
June 5, 2023 at 9:08 pm
No pcie gen 5 lol
DGW 404
June 5, 2023 at 9:24 pm
Imagine paying $1000 more for a new computer with many less features than your previous machine
Zeus Ling-Winston
June 6, 2023 at 11:50 am
Media production, pretty sure if you put an m2 up against a 4090/quadro and a threadripper or any high end consumer like 13900ks or 7950x3d it wouldn’t stand a chance
MrCopy
June 6, 2023 at 5:01 pm
@Zeus Ling-Winston The selling point of this Mac pro is its quietness and low power consumption.
Zeus Ling-Winston
June 6, 2023 at 5:14 pm
@VaporSprite PCs can be quiet as well. And as a workstation which is the intended role of these computers, performance is the number 1 priority
VaporSprite
June 6, 2023 at 6:13 pm
@Zeus Ling-Winston I said literally nothing about that but ok
Roving Cyclops
June 6, 2023 at 8:51 pm
@Zeus Ling-Winston Doesn’t matter if the PC can’t run FCP and Compressor.
Matthew Gray
June 5, 2023 at 9:51 pm
Meh
Jan
June 5, 2023 at 10:37 pm
Imagine paying $2500++ for what’s basically a Mac Studio M2 Ultra with the same soldered unified memory (a paltry 128-192GB memory compared to the Intel version boasting up to 1.5TB of memory) and the privilege to have PCIe slots that can’t even barely fit a videocard (and DON’T even think of putting one on it, the auxillary power is just 300W.)
srinivas c
June 6, 2023 at 12:48 am
They are not for video cards. Only audio, video capture cards, and SSD cards.
Jan
June 6, 2023 at 12:53 am
@srinivas c they once did. They have the MPX modules for Mac Pro (2019) which was now (likely) incompatible for this 2023 version.
Jan
June 6, 2023 at 12:59 am
@srinivas c and guess that, it now has TWO LESS PCI-E slots compared to the Intel version.
srinivas c
June 6, 2023 at 1:01 am
@Jan M chips can’t have AMD or NVIDIA GPUs. Only M GPUs. But M GPUs are stuck with M CPUs and RAM on a single chip. kiss the upgrade idea goodby.
burrito kingdom
June 6, 2023 at 5:18 am
@srinivas c yeah I was baffled when I didn’t see any NVMe slots. So probably gonna have to buy a PCIe card from Apple that has NVMe slots just to upgrade internal storage.
VnjIaXEClnNpN9XTlkQmj7
June 5, 2023 at 10:51 pm
With the larger case space of the Mac Pro, I would have preferred to have a biggest M2 Extreme chip (currently just the same M2 Ultra chip as the Mac Studio) rather than more PCI Express slots.
People who need higher machine learning/graphic performance will build their own computers (with multiple graphics cards) rather than install multiple graphics cards in the Mac Pro.
I think a M2 Extreme chip is powerful enough for most Apple target customers if a M2 Extreme with AT LEAST 48-core CPU, 152-core GPU, and 64-core Neural Engine (More is configable).
And don’t forget that there are rack versions of the Mac Pro, so multiple Mac Pros can be connected together without worrying about scalability.
burrito kingdom
June 6, 2023 at 5:15 am
The thing is that you can’t install multiple GPUs into the M2 Mac Pro. The only GPU is the integrated GPU. The PCIe slots are used for “I/O expansion, such as cards for digital signal processing (DSP) or serial digital interface (SDI). Apple also says that the PCIe slots can be used to add additional storage and networking”
Kai A
June 6, 2023 at 12:41 pm
The Extreme chip was to done for the M2 series because it is still having scaling issues. With the M1 Ultra it was acting more like 1.5 M1 Max chips instead of close to 2 M1 Max chips. With the Extreme the issues were even worse so I think the Extreme has been pushed to the M3 series of chips as they hope the 3nm process will help them resolve the problem. Expect WWDC 2025 to reveal this much better Mac Pro.
MrCopy
June 6, 2023 at 4:59 pm
If by itself it is difficult to connect 2 chips and not lose power, connecting 4 would be very expensive and difficult, someday they will do it but not now.
Sitti2300
June 5, 2023 at 11:19 pm
I wish this new Mac Pro was latest Intel CPU and AMD GPU.
Scott Lee
June 5, 2023 at 11:44 pm
You and I both. 👍
HOONSTARS
June 6, 2023 at 12:06 am
Same man. I wouldve loved to see a DDR5 X86 based Mac Pro. Wouldve been so badass.
Scott Lee
June 6, 2023 at 1:05 am
@HOONSTARS I have 2 Intel Mac Pros, one is a backup for my business. Death of a short term era. So happy with it, this latest Mac Pro is a downgrade for me sadly for my work.
Eric Matthews
June 6, 2023 at 4:02 pm
I don’t think so. Apple is the KING of quiet computing. Intel, AMD, and NVidia are a hot and noisy mess.
Scott Lee
June 6, 2023 at 6:07 pm
@Eric Matthews I have 50 gig piano (only) sound libraries on my workstation. When it comes to a complete orchestral score, I can max 192 gigs fast working in pro tools for a hollywood film. Way to many bottle necks for folks working in the industry that need a lot more power, room, hardware compatibility. Ill be holding onto my 2 intel 2020 mac pros for a long time and upgrade them. The Mac Pro 2023 is a downgrade at this moment for the high end market.
blurdreamer
June 5, 2023 at 11:22 pm
you pay extra so the spec have more space with each other, thumbs up for Apple taking care of spec’s mental health~! even spec have rights!! so ahead of its time.
電腦人の基地
June 6, 2023 at 1:49 am
Mac Pro✋
Mac Air👍 Because the Mac “Pro” fills with 69% more air than before.
ian
June 6, 2023 at 3:16 am
i expected M1/M2 EXTREME or FOUNDER EDITION instead of M2 ultra 😂
drunk russians
June 6, 2023 at 4:59 am
The top range Mac Pro is only 15K The previous model (top line) was 60K That is a huge difference!
sardanus
June 6, 2023 at 5:38 am
192GB maximum memory without ECC and no upgradabilty. No support for internal or external GPUs (because they’re x86 based on), no MPX support. That’s iterally an empty box. They should have redesigned with a smaller chassis
Ruza Roos
June 6, 2023 at 9:25 am
@sardanus They did. It’s called the Mac Studio 🤣Honestly I think they launched this nerfed product to speed up “no more x86 Mac OS” to break the legs of the Hackintosh. I know big companies don’t mess with that, but small shops and sole proprietors are still better off going that route than this empty box for $7K if they have a need for PCI slots.
sardanus
June 6, 2023 at 9:38 am
@Ruza Roos mac studio doesn’t have pcie expansion. In professional ad enterprise world these slots are useful. It’s the only thing i save in this design (again not suitable for an arm based machine imho). External pcie are not an option because they need extra power in some cases (i.e. another cable from the wall)
Roving Cyclops
June 6, 2023 at 8:54 pm
@Ruza Roos Nobody is hackintoshing. Well, not enough somebodies to even make a dent.
burrito kingdom
June 6, 2023 at 5:05 am
Kinda confused what’s the point of the Mac Pro if you’re not able to expand the RAM, GPU or storage. The M2 Ultra Mac Studio can do everything but cheaper.
All the things that Apple announce that’s able to connect to the PCI slots can be done thru USB.
Rich Mahogany
June 6, 2023 at 9:22 pm
You can expand the storage but yeah, locking down the memory definitely makes them money now because people will overbuy “just in case.”
Procash Floyd
June 6, 2023 at 8:06 am
I was expecting two ultras stacked together and call it Super Ultra or something.
Eric Matthews
June 6, 2023 at 4:12 pm
Apple has some real gems in their Mac line-up again. The 13″ and 15″ MacBook Air are both great as are the 14″ and 16″ MacBook Pro. Depending on your needs, there is a Mac laptop that is perfect for everyone now. The Mac mini and Mac Studio are are also great. Providing small desktop computers from BASIC to BALLER.
lemonlimelukey
June 6, 2023 at 6:44 pm
that design is almost as bad the performance and OS 🤣🤣
Henri-fillip BAUER
June 6, 2023 at 7:02 pm
I have the M1 Max with 32gb ram and I can’t hit the limits im blown away this thing rips