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Paternity leave has many benefits for dads, their partners and their babies — but did you know it also has surprising benefits for companies? This is what author Shu Matsuo Post learned from his seven transformative months of paternity leave — and he says it can create more equal and diverse workplaces and even boost…

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Paternity leave has many benefits for dads, their partners and their babies — but did you know it also has surprising benefits for companies? This is what author Shu Matsuo Post learned from his seven transformative months of paternity leave — and he says it can create more equal and diverse workplaces and even boost productivity.

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– I remember the day:

my wife was three months pregnant,

and I knew that I wanted to take time off.

But when I walked in to ask my boss,

I was so nervous.

I was about to ask for seven
months of paternity leave,

and I just didn’t know how
my boss would react to that.

(machine whirs)
(playful music)

(drawer thuds)

Like most men in Japan,

I grew up being told that masculinity

is supposed to look a certain way.

You’re supposed to be stoic and strong,

dominant and in control,

the breadwinner for your family.

But when I met my wife,
she challenged me on that.

She pushed me on thinking

that men should always pay for dates,

on assuming that women should
always do the childcare.

Japan offers both mothers and fathers,

12 months of paid parental leave.

It’s been ranked number one in the world

in terms of length and
compensation for paternity leave.

But here’s the crazy thing:

In 2020,
(footsteps patter)

only about 7% of fathers took it.

And of that 7%, 3/4 took a
leave of two weeks or less.

With pressure at work,

most Japanese men just aren’t at home

during this pivotal time.

And that’s a shame,

because paternity leave,
it benefits everyone.

Here is why normalizing
it is so important:

I believe deeply in gender equality.

I took my wife’s last name,

and even wrote a book about it.

And still, I was terrified
asking for paternity leave.

I’d heard of bosses denying the request,

or questioning their
employee’s masculinity.

I was scared that, in asking for time off,

I might be replaced or left behind.

But my boss, he accepted
my request right away,

which made me feel so valued,

and it let me focus on
what was most important:

my family.
(gentle piano music)

I can’t describe how much joy I got

seeing my newborn son each day.

I especially loved my early
morning shift with him,

so his mom could sleep in.

When he was a newborn,
(birds chirping)

we’d just cuddle on the couch.

And when he got a little bigger,

he became my best workout buddy,

as a cheerleader during my morning runs,

in his stroller.
(stroller wheels rattle)

Or, as a human dumbbell for
squats and biceps curls.

I feel so close to my son now.

And it’s not just me;

men who take paternity leave
experience a stronger bond

with their babies.

Research shows that the
longer the paternity leave,

the more engaged the father is

in the first few years of a child’s life.

I was shocked to learn that over half

of all US fathers report
feeling dissatisfied

with the amount of time they
spend with their children.

Paternity leave is a
chance to change that.

My relationship with my wife
also deepened on my leave.

We went on a walk together every day,

and I became a better cook and cleaner

because I was able to spend more time

on household duties,
(contents glub)

which made her happy.
(steam hisses)

In a McKinsey & Company survey,

90% of fathers who took paternity leave

say it improved their relationship, too.

This happens along a few
different dimensions:

First, because you gain
a whole new respect

for what’s involved in
childcare and housework,

and it makes you step up and take on more.

And by being home, you’re
providing emotional support.

Statistics show
(steam hisses)

that when a mother’s partner is involved,

especially in the first
few weeks after birth,

it reduces the risk of postpartum
depression significantly.

But this is really just the start,

because paternity leave
is also good for business.

Paternity leave can have a profound impact

on gender equality in the workforce.

There is an inherent imbalance

if women take childcare
leave, and men don’t.

Working mothers are often
juggling two full-time jobs,

one at work, and one at home.
(keys clack)

Many don’t return to the workforce

or decide to take reduced roles.

(baby cries)
By taking paternity leave,

(alarm clock rings)

men can give women more options,

and even boost their ability
to rise into leadership roles.

A study in Sweden showed
that for every month

of parental leave taken by the father,

the mother’s earnings
increased by approximately 7%.

It’s interesting to note
that 90% of female students

in Japan say they’d want
their future partner

to take parental leave,

and nearly 80% of men
entering the workforce here,

and I suspect in other countries too,

say they want to take paternity leave.

For employers to have that
open, inclusive culture

where paternity leave is respected,

that can help companies attract
and retain the best talent.

Workers are increasingly
choosing the companies

based on the culture.

This is a space where any company

can give themselves a boost.

I’ve been back at my job
for about three months now,

and I can already tell you, I
feel so much more productive.

I’m very focused,
(employees chatter)

and always looking for
ways to be more efficient,

so I can get home to my family.

I’ve heard this from
many mothers coming back

from maternity leave, too.

And studies confirm.

80% of companies that
offer paid family leave

report a positive impact on morale,

and 70% notice a boost in productivity.

It’s a positive for any company.

And that brings me to my final point:

Paternity leave, it’s good for society.

Paternity leave is one of
the big steps we can make

in giving partners the
opportunity to share their work,

both at home and at work.

It’s one of our best bets to
bridge the gender gap, overall.

Research shows that when
that gender gap gets smaller,

people report higher life satisfaction.

(people cheer)

Iceland, Norway, and
Finland rank top three

in the Global Gender Gap Index,

and over 70% of fathers
take paternity leave.

And if you take a look at their ranking

in the World Happiness Report,

they’re very, very high.

This might be a coincidence,

but I don’t think so.

That freedom to be yourself

and make choices without
gender expectations,

it feels really good.

We live in a patriarchy,
and what I’ve realized

is that the same world that
systematically favors men,

it’s also trapping us in a cage.

We need more countries to set up systems

that allow all parents to
take paid childcare leave,

to give everyone new options.

We need to build a culture

that encourages and
values men as caretakers,

because we can do it too.

(gentle music)

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91 Comments

  1. MajkaSrajka

    October 18, 2021 at 4:10 pm

    My dad left on paternity leave 10 years ago, and didn’t came back.

  2. El Ecualizador Robusto

    October 18, 2021 at 4:12 pm

    Paternity leave is useful, except when the country needs you and you voluntary took the job.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 18, 2021 at 4:18 pm

      What do you mean?

  3. MajkaSrajka

    October 18, 2021 at 4:23 pm

    Iceland, Norway and Finland are happier because of…

    …huge geothermal Aluminium production, or Refined Oil exports!

  4. edimist1

    October 18, 2021 at 4:25 pm

    Only if every country applied paternity leave like Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland… In these countries it is considered good for your CV if you have taken some months off to take care of a child. It is considered as working experience and not time wasted. Nordic countries are the BEST

    • MetallicReg

      October 18, 2021 at 7:29 pm

      Well it is a bit similar in Germany. I mean here it is “parent leave” (no matter who stays – just combined time).
      But I don’t think that it has any implications for your CV here (positive or negative).

  5. MajkaSrajka

    October 18, 2021 at 4:25 pm

    >Lives in Japan
    >”We” live in Patriachy
    >Also, I took my wifes name and wrote a book about it

    IDK man, but I don’t live in Patriarchy, nor write books on it.

  6. Ash

    October 18, 2021 at 4:28 pm

    How about paternity tests being standard for all births?

    • Δ.Μ

      October 18, 2021 at 4:28 pm

      ??

    • Ash

      October 18, 2021 at 5:06 pm

      @Δ.Μ I think it should be a right for men to know if the child is theirs

  7. zero

    October 18, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    im confused, paternity leave is everywhere except for very few countries. most men dont take it

    • Δ.Μ

      October 18, 2021 at 11:23 pm

      Most men take parental leave

  8. Mtro Luis Elias מורה לואיס אליאס

    October 18, 2021 at 5:07 pm

    I was so surprised about this video… paternity is a choice not an obligation …I am so disappointed because material like this increase intolerance and prejudge against people like me who has decided not to bring children … being father o mother doesn’t make to people better …

  9. maikukun

    October 18, 2021 at 5:48 pm

    Don’t need paternity leave to have a good relationship with your kids.
    My parent’s family of 4 kids did just fine with my dad working and my mom at home taking care of the kids.

  10. MCRuCr

    October 18, 2021 at 5:50 pm

    4:54 PLEASE remember: Correlation DOES NOT IMPLY Causality

  11. MCRuCr

    October 18, 2021 at 5:50 pm

    4:54 PLEASE remember: Correlation DOES NOT PROVE Causality

    • Melesniannon

      October 19, 2021 at 6:25 pm

      Please remember that causality is merely perceived persistent correlation so using platitudes out of context does’t refute anything.

    • MCRuCr

      October 19, 2021 at 6:36 pm

      @Melesniannon causality is not „perceived persistent correlation“. It does not have anything to do with perception. Causality is based on the concept of time, since the cause ALWAYS preceeds the effect. (Quantum physics aside).
      Maybe thats what you meant with „persistent“

    • Melesniannon

      October 19, 2021 at 11:12 pm

      @MCRuCr Really? You don’t think that the observation of two seperate events has anything to do with perception?

      Interesting.

    • MCRuCr

      October 19, 2021 at 11:43 pm

      @Melesniannon I guess we have different definitions of these things in mind..
      For me, perception is a part of psychology and thus biology. My statement was that no (biological) observer is needed for causality to exist. It has fundamentally to do with the irreversibility of time

    • Melesniannon

      October 20, 2021 at 12:25 am

      @MCRuCr I fully agree with that but what we consider to be causality, is part of our perception, since we cannot perceive reality independently of our biological processes. Pick ye olde billiard balls example, one ball moves, impacts the other, other ball moves, we say “Causality!”

      But what we *observe*, is one ball moves, and then we see the other ball move. The moving of balls is a correlation of two events, but because in our experience so far this always happens, we conclude that one ball caused the other ball to move when it hit it. Indeed we are so used to it that if it didn’t happen, we’d assume shenanigans and the other ball is glued or bolted down.

      Consequently what we call causality, is merely a specific type of correlation that we’ve accepted based on positivistic evidence, and resists falsification. A good example that isn’t physics, is the correlation between smoking and lung cancer.

      Measuring correlations in large sets of data gives us confidence in determining causal effects, even if those causal effects cannot be directly observed (as none can be, it is always inferred, some tests are just simpler than others). Like all science it’s still possible that we’re wrong, but when positivistic evidence is present it needs to be actually falsified, not dismissed with “Remember that correlation is not causation!”

  12. joe monroe

    October 18, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    this was a cute video he seems like such a good father and person

  13. Annie Dooley

    October 18, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    Yes this is so important for gender equality!

    • LegendLength

      October 19, 2021 at 11:54 am

      It’s also important to promote small business otherwise you end up with a handful of companies controlling your life. 7 months pay is a lot for a single person to pay their employee when they decide to pop one out.

  14. HLadyLiberty GlockFan

    October 18, 2021 at 7:05 pm

    I’m all for paternity benefits. But when you are off work, you must have someone in your place …….. to help deal with the supply chain disruption at the CA port, so that commerce continues. The Biden admin spends so much money as it is, why not have someone in Buttgeig’s place while he is out?

    • Δ.Μ

      October 18, 2021 at 11:22 pm

      You will do his work when that someone has a child of his/her own, so it’s fair and square

  15. juz3871

    October 18, 2021 at 7:23 pm

    We get 2 weeks paternity leave in the UK…however, those 2 weeks are paid at a pittance. I was set to lose well over £1000 over those 2 weeks in wages, the last thing I could afford with a new baby to provide for! As a result it’s rarely taken by fathers, majority of my friends in the same position.

  16. MrAragon131

    October 18, 2021 at 7:26 pm

    How do you address the needs of the childfree? When parents take time off someone has to pick up the slack. The childfree are often burdened with coming early/staying late or giving up vacations to cover for people who choose to be parents. Recently a man talked about how he was bullied into giving up some paid time off to a mother with 3 kids because since he didn’t have children “He didn’t really need it”

    You say this is about gender equality but when you afford special privileges to parents you are saying their needs and wants are superior to the childfree and should be treated accordingly.

    Currently the planet is MASSIVELY overpopulated. the last thing we need are more children. Why not celebrate people who choose to focus on intellect and accomplishment rather than submitting to the role of parent?

    • M S

      October 18, 2021 at 7:50 pm

      Had to give a thumbs up fir your first paragraph.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 18, 2021 at 11:21 pm

      The child free don’t need parental leave, because they don’t have children, pretty simple.

    • MrAragon131

      October 19, 2021 at 12:08 am

      @Δ.Μ So we’re punished because we understand how birth control works? how is that fair? what if we want to take 6 months to travel or have the luxury of showing up late and leaving early because we decided to get our graduate degree?

      We may not have children but we have friends, hobbies, lives that require care and feeding.

      Paternity leave doesn’t benefit the childfree. It burdens us to pick up the slack.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 19, 2021 at 5:39 am

      @MrAragon131
      😑
      You do realize that being a parent, especially in the early weeks is no fun. Right? So I fail to see the similarities between that and vacations or pursuing a masters degree

    • MrAragon131

      October 19, 2021 at 7:18 am

      @Δ.Μ Yes I am aware parenting is a joyless chore. That why I have a made the choice to be diligent and strict with my birth control. The similarity between that and a vacation or a masters degree is becoming a parent is a CHOICE. Getting a masters degree is a lot of work as well. But no one would say “well getting an advanced degree is a lot of work and not much fun so you deserve 6 months off” they would say “well you did make the choice to get a masters”

      Becoming a parent is also a choice.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 19, 2021 at 11:18 am

      @MrAragon131
      Ok good for you.

      However the people who do decide to have children deserve to have a paid leave exactly because it’s a tough and joyless chore. Moreover the least we can do for the new parents is to let them devote some time to their own child. Especially in the beginning

      (Some businesses fund the Masters degree of their top talent, so yeaaaah…)

    • MrAragon131

      October 19, 2021 at 12:20 pm

      @Δ.Μ So as long as you choose (and yes becoming a parents is a choice) to do something horrible society must support it? How does that logic work?

    • Δ.Μ

      October 19, 2021 at 1:04 pm

      @MrAragon131
      Horrible? What exactly are you talking about?

    • MrAragon131

      October 20, 2021 at 3:29 pm

      @Δ.Μ ” it’s a tough and joyless chore.” I was talking about choosing to doing something horrible like parenting.

      If I choose to do something that will help me grow as a person higher education, the spiritual growth that comes from traveling etc I don’t deserve support?

    • Δ.Μ

      October 20, 2021 at 5:30 pm

      @MrAragon131
      Just because something is joyless and hard work doesn’t make it horrible 🤦🤦🤦, epecially not parenting. Sure it’s hard work, but it’s worth it…

      As I told you, you can take vacation leave.

      Besides many good employers offer training opportunities and even Masters programs to their top employees.

      Obviously these perks should be available for everyone, not just prestigious companies, but I don’t understand why on earth you are against the rights of your fellow coworkers and not at the employers that have denied even your basic benefits.

      I really don’t understand your logic.

  17. M S

    October 18, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    7mos?! Paid of course. Too bad I didn’t have kids, seems like a pretty sweet deal for the parent. Not so much for the co-workers.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 18, 2021 at 11:19 pm

      If you had children you would understand that the first few months of infancy aren’t sweet AT ALL.

      As for the coworkers… you do understand that they either have children or they plan to have children, which means that they would empathize with the need for parental leave.

    • M S

      October 18, 2021 at 11:57 pm

      @Δ.Μ of course the first few months are tough but it shouldn’t take 7mos to bond with the child. Seven months of free money to stay away from the J.O.B is a pretty sweet deal.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 19, 2021 at 5:43 am

      @M S
      I agree it should take much more time to bond with the child, but hey that’s life for ya

    • M S

      October 19, 2021 at 10:36 am

      @Δ.Μbeing a parent means being a role model and mentor and if done right is a lifetime.

  18. Radio PNL

    October 18, 2021 at 9:20 pm

    amazing ❤️

  19. broadbandtogod

    October 18, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    How does it benefit your boss to leave for 7 months?

    • Δ.Μ

      October 18, 2021 at 11:18 pm

      Every person, no matter where he stands on corporate lader, employee or boss, benefits from spending as much time with his child as possible. Especially in the first few months.

      Boss are people like us, they need to spend time with their infants as well.

    • broadbandtogod

      October 19, 2021 at 12:10 am

      @Δ.Μ You have a very interesting way of reasoning.
      If a manager is to keep the company alive, it will need workers. No workers, no income, for either the employer or the families that work there.
      If eg. the majority (which is not the issue here, the video is only in regard to one person) is on leave for what ever reason, there are drastic measures that must be taken:
      Finding new staff, training new staff, finding extra staff if they get sick or quit, see to the health of the remainding staff due to stress related work while managing the ebbs and flows of work-orders and revenue. This is a question of money, goods and services, not about a philosophical discussion on whether society gains happiness due to new “workers” being born.

      So again, how does an employer benefit for a staff member leaving for 7 months?

    • Δ.Μ

      October 19, 2021 at 5:42 am

      @broadbandtogod
      The majority of people of people won’t have children at any given time,it’s only a handful of them.

    • LegendLength

      October 19, 2021 at 11:51 am

      @Δ.Μ So best bet is to avoid hiring anyone who might try to claim paternity leave. Is there a better strategy for a boss?

    • Melesniannon

      October 19, 2021 at 6:36 pm

      @broadbandtogod “80% of companies that offered paid family leave reported a positive impact on morale and 70% notice a boost in productivity”.

      There’s more to employment, including the economic concept of production, than working hours. Employers that show they respect the needs and desires of their employees will attract more skilled and more loyal workers. They work better, and they work harder. Consequently the company can do the same amount of work with fewer workers and the paternity leave isn’t an issue. Finding new workers also becomes easier as the job offered is more attractive.

      People are people, not machines that function at steady efficiency during set working hours. Demotivated people are markably less productive than motivated ones. That stress level that requires health intervention due to being treated like a cog in a machine, already exists. Motivated workers will put in the extra effort to make sure the job gets done during peak hours. They’ll put in more overtime to get things done. They’re more flexible when working hours need to be shifted.

      People will work for their money because they need to, but they will work for you when they WANT to.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 20, 2021 at 6:05 am

      @LegendLength
      Well if that boss wants to get out of business as quickly as possible, then yes, he might.

      Besides as far as I know, it’s literally illegal to ask this sort of thing during interviews

    • LegendLength

      October 20, 2021 at 6:11 am

      @Δ.Μ How would you go out of business exactly if you avoided hiring women aged 20 – 30?

    • Δ.Μ

      October 20, 2021 at 6:17 am

      @LegendLength
      Because
      a) that’s age discrimination which in most places is illegal

      b) it’s gender discrimination which is even more so illegal

      b) because you can’t get interns or fresh people out of college, graduate schools who have new and fresh ideas.

      c) older people demand more compensation than younger ones sinces they have more work experience.

    • LegendLength

      October 20, 2021 at 11:43 pm

      @Δ.Μ All of those are easy to get around if you only have a couple of employees. For very large companies i agree you do have a chance of enforcing a limited amount of discrimination law.

  20. John Wishart

    October 18, 2021 at 9:32 pm

    i think it is only lately that both men and woman have gone to work i am not being sexist surely one person should be at home instead of giving your child to someone that has been taught to look after your child i am english by berth and am childless myself so please don’t reply too quickly

  21. Makai

    October 18, 2021 at 10:15 pm

    Great video

  22. Karla Reyes

    October 18, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    Here in the states…we can only dream 😑

  23. ozzyg82

    October 18, 2021 at 11:14 pm

    In the UK you usually get just two weeks. That’s crap. I work for the NHS, one of the biggest employers in this country, and I get only two weeks paternity leave, not even unpaid leave is an option for me.

  24. jeff milligan

    October 18, 2021 at 11:30 pm

    Don’t deny it, just don’t make it transferrable. Make it absolute like it is in Sweden. Non transferrable child leave is the best way. And ironically in feminist Sweden the premise was to punish men, but it backfired. And radical feminists suddenly became MRA’s. Funny.

  25. Gaasuba Meskhenet

    October 19, 2021 at 12:59 am

    land lords are a public health hazard. let people have time for themselves and their families

    • LegendLength

      October 19, 2021 at 11:50 am

      Let’s just demolish all rental buildings. That will make the place better right?

  26. Darla Love

    October 19, 2021 at 1:22 am

    It’s nice in theory but my little company would collapse paying people not to work and getting months behind. It’s easy to say when it doesn’t effect you.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 19, 2021 at 5:41 am

      If your little industry can’t afford to provide basic benefits to it’s employees, then I am sorry to say it, but you don’t deserve to be into business pal…

    • LegendLength

      October 19, 2021 at 11:49 am

      @Δ.Μ Can’t you see the problem with that way of thinking? Small companies by definition can afford massive legal and HR expenses. Yes in an ideal world they would cough it up but it’s not realistic. Ultimately you are running cover for large corporations who can afford that stuff.

      Also paternity leave for males isn’t a “basic benefit”. It’s one of the most borderline benefits of them all. It’s incomparable to something like sick pay or work hours.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 19, 2021 at 8:21 pm

      @LegendLength

      A business, no matter how small or big should be able to provide wages and benefits for it’s employees.

      That ain’t an “ideal world” thing, but instead it’s the cold and brutal reality. If you are unable to adequately compensate your employees you shouldn’t run a business to begin with.

  27. Victoria McCauley

    October 19, 2021 at 2:53 am

    THANK YOU!!

  28. prashanth wagle

    October 19, 2021 at 4:45 am

    Well said, I had just few days, but it’s very important to deepen the bond with child and family. I wish all industries in the world consider this for their future generations. ❤️👍

  29. The Life

    October 19, 2021 at 4:45 am

    Well said, I had just few days, but it’s very important to deepen the bond with child and family. I wish all industries in the world consider this for their future generations. ❤️👍

  30. Nassim Djebaili

    October 19, 2021 at 6:09 am

    Silence, natalist.

  31. 젠GEN

    October 19, 2021 at 1:41 pm

    lol

  32. Derek Raydon

    October 19, 2021 at 2:17 pm

    Lost me at “took my wife’s last name.”

    • Δ.Μ

      October 19, 2021 at 8:14 pm

      He can do whatever he wants with his own name. Besides he has done far more to advance men’s rights than keyboard warriors such as yourself.

    • Catarina Ramalho

      October 20, 2021 at 5:57 am

      You were already lost.

  33. TheWinnipegredhead

    October 19, 2021 at 11:38 pm

    Commenting for the algorithm. Couldn’t agree with him more. Wish all men had this option.

  34. thoughtsndshare

    October 19, 2021 at 11:53 pm

    Lost me at the “I took my wife’s last name”

    • Δ.Μ

      October 20, 2021 at 6:02 am

      Ironically this guy does more for men’s rights than you ever ever will.

    • thoughtsndshare

      October 20, 2021 at 6:05 am

      @Δ.Μ men’s rights lol that’s hilarious 😂

    • Δ.Μ

      October 20, 2021 at 6:09 am

      @thoughtsndshare
      What exactly is hilarious about that? Don’t both parents, not only women, that deserve a parental leave?

    • thoughtsndshare

      October 20, 2021 at 6:27 am

      @Δ.Μ Men’s rights that’s hilarious… you wouldn’t get it…
      Since the existence of the human species men have always been the provider when his partner got pregnant…. Having a company pay for you so you can take months off is a new concept… so of course most men will reject the concept of taking paternity leave. It’s in our DNA to want to provide. And you wouldn’t get it. If men don’t want to take paternity leave the that’s good it’s in our DNA

    • Δ.Μ

      October 20, 2021 at 6:36 am

      @thoughtsndshare
      It is a new concept because jobs as we know them today are new.

      We didn’t have 9-5, 40hrs/ week jobs, so therefore the demands and needs today of employees will be vastly different than 300 years ago.

      As for whether or not men take paternity leave, the data says that the vast majority of men do. So I really don’t understand what you are saying in the end.

      What decent man,what decent father would pass the opportunity to help raise his child and assist his wife in the first crucial weeks after childbirth? None.

      What decent man, what decent father would reject the opportunity to get some time his newly born son or daughter? None.

      So yeah parental leave for both genders is equally important.

  35. Lisa Love Ministry

    October 20, 2021 at 11:31 pm

    Seek God’s Kingdom daily.
    1 Corinthians 15 👑

  36. Ged Buz

    October 21, 2021 at 7:22 am

    “It would help to attract the talents”. haha, sure. Just the best companies like google, facebook and other give an option to freeze females “eggs” so they would choose to have kids later or never, prioritizing work over the family. 👎

  37. robobrain10000

    October 21, 2021 at 10:47 am

    Nothing wrong with taking care of your kid and helping out, but why are you expecting to be paid to sit at home and take care of your own kid? It is undue burden on the company to pay this handout. Is the government subsidizing the paid leave?

    Also, don’t cite that BS that the company gets the benefit of having that employee come back more productive. What about the months of productivity loss by your leave? There is a 100% productivity loss while you are gone. Do you expect them to keep your job open for months on end or to hire a temp in the meanwhile?

    The market efficient thing to do would be to quit your job, take care of your kid and help out for how ever many months, and then find a new job or reapply for the same job with the same company again.

    If the company wants to pay you to take care of your kid and come back to them, that’s fine; the issue is the government mandate to allow 12 months leave – which is fucking paid.

    Perhaps I am misinformed on the actual economics. I would love to hear how paternity leaves are financed by companies.

    • Δ.Μ

      October 21, 2021 at 6:47 pm

      Because raising children ain’t free

    • robobrain10000

      October 21, 2021 at 6:51 pm

      @Δ.Μ We all know that. Question is why does the company have to foot that bill? You chose to have the kid, you take care of it.

      Its not like you are promising the kid’s soul to the company in return for paying to take care of your kid. So, why does the company have to pay for you to take care of your own kid?

  38. Eric Cartman

    October 22, 2021 at 1:12 pm

    this is a really nice way to demand a salary for doing absolutely nothing

  39. walperstyle

    October 23, 2021 at 4:13 am

    Meanwhile, new immigrants will gladly work you under the table. Go ahead, pretend you are worth time off. lulz.

  40. MadDash

    October 23, 2021 at 9:52 am

    Soy AF

  41. Edwin Velasco

    October 23, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    It would be great. But people would take advantage of this. 😪. Great idea tho.

  42. Sun Rise

    October 24, 2021 at 5:17 pm

    Both parents take paid child leave. Great idea. But who pays for them? Those who work and never have any children. Do you think it’s fair for those? The society taxes too much on those childless, especially on those childless singles.

  43. Amber Antley

    October 24, 2021 at 10:25 pm

    USA. My job doesn’t offer maternity/paternity leave (and I work for an OBGYN clinic administration). I have to apply for short term disability after my baby is born and it cuts my paycheck to less than half when I use it. It’s good for 3 months from what I was told.

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