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H-1B visas are a topic that’s top of mind for many in the tech industry. Hiba Anver, partner with the Erickson Immigration Group, joins Ed Ludlow and Caroline Hyde to discuss whether the DNC next week will bring more clarity on the position of the Democratic ticket on immigration. She joins Ed Ludlow and Caroline…

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H-1B visas are a topic that’s top of mind for many in the tech industry. Hiba Anver, partner with the Erickson Immigration Group, joins Ed Ludlow and Caroline Hyde to discuss whether the DNC next week will bring more clarity on the position of the Democratic ticket on immigration. She joins Ed Ludlow and Caroline Hyde on “Bloomberg Technology.”
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  1. @MrDaveParadise

    August 16, 2024 at 4:17 pm

    Legal immigration = good
    Illegal immigration = bad

  2. @AnonymousPublicChannel

    August 16, 2024 at 4:17 pm

    Legal immigration = good
    Illegal immigration = bad

  3. @NexaTrade

    August 16, 2024 at 4:45 pm

    We already have O- visas for that

  4. @EcceHomo1088

    August 16, 2024 at 5:01 pm

    I’m pretty sure we can all work from ANYWHERE and all tender is exchangeable in easy enough ways that immigration is no longer needed…

  5. @MrPrabakar007

    August 16, 2024 at 6:35 pm

    No action, only talk.

  6. @Phlegethon

    August 16, 2024 at 7:16 pm

    most of these actually just goes to fraudulent middlemen hiring in India

  7. @jakeleone8944

    August 16, 2024 at 8:16 pm

    H-1b is a huge industry, for immigration lawyers.

    Also, why not extend the OPT visa tax we give to hire a foreign student over a local student. To all students, and the unemployed, as part of tech internship/apprenticeship program.

    To make this palatable to the immigration lawyer lobby, we could require that the documents be signed by a lawyer.

    At a time when there were 350,000 tech layoffs (mostly whole department layoffs, with no regard for individual performance) and 100,000 Stem grad.

    There were 400,000+ H-1b requests this last year.

    Companies are not even trying consider highly qualified local tech workers.

    And we know this is the case, from a report by Bloomberg, detailing the massive corruption in the H-1b program. Detailing the fact that more than half of the H-1b visas are going to Offshore Outsourcing companies and staffing firms that only hire from overseas and refuse to consider highly qualified local applicants.

    We also know from DOJ vs Facebook 2020 and Apple 2023. That immigration lawyers assist middle management in protecting foreign engineers from having to compete with better qualified local applicants, during the Green Card market test.

    In the Facebook indictment. Facebook’s own HR told Federal Investigators, that Facebook find 30+ highly qualified local engineer applicants for every STEM job that Facebook openly advertises.

    Facebook’s HR told Federal investigators that they were barred, by company policy, from forwarding the resumes of these better qualified local applicants that they turn away (about 30 for every STEM job Facebook openly advertises) to the managers involved in Green Card certification for foreign engineers doing similar jobs as what the local engineer applied for. Because that would immediately invalidate the Green Card certification.

    Facebook hides the Green Card certification job ads, in 2-Sunday print editions of the San Francisco Chronicle, and refused the free offer of the Chronicle to place those job ads on the Chronicle jobs board.

    If a local applicant finds the job ad (buried in the Sunday print edition of the Chronicle) they have to send a stamped letter with their resume to a lawyers office in Palo Alto.

    Facebook did this 2600+ times over the 1.5 year covered by the investigation. But it has been going on for decades. And it amounts to massive discrimination against better qualified local STEM applicants to these companies.

    It only benefits managers that pad their fiefdom with compliant workers that owe them big time.

  8. @jakeleone8944

    August 16, 2024 at 8:16 pm

    H-1b is a huge industry, for immigration lawyers.

    Also, why not extend the OPT visa tax break (15%) we give to hire a foreign student over a local student. To all students, and the unemployed, as part of tech internship/apprenticeship program.

    To make this palatable to the immigration lawyer lobby, we could require that the documents be signed by a lawyer.

    At a time when there were 350,000 tech layoffs (mostly whole department layoffs, with no regard for individual performance) and 100,000 Stem grad.

    There were 400,000+ H-1b requests this last year.

    Every h-1b request is for an existing job that a company is filling. Given, every tech job on linkedin gets 100+ applicants. Isn’t it time we did something to make sure that companies actually interview local engineers before being allowed to use an H-1b visa? Isn’t it about time we had a market test for the H-1b visa? Isn’t it about time we stopped listening to the lie “they can’t find local engineers”, when the fact is most of the time they never looked and instead are bringing in someone they have already hired overseas? And that is the fact for all Offshore Outsourcing companies, all body shops, all companies that are trying to convert an OPT foreign student to an H-1b, and all companies with overseas offices.

    Companies are not even trying to consider highly qualified local tech workers.

    And we know this is the case, from a report by Bloomberg, detailing the massive corruption in the H-1b program. Detailing the fact that more than half of the H-1b visas are going to Offshore Outsourcing companies and staffing firms that only hire from overseas and refuse to consider highly qualified local applicants.

    We also know from DOJ vs Facebook 2020 and Apple 2023. That immigration lawyers assist middle management in protecting foreign engineers from having to compete with better qualified local applicants, during the Green Card market test.

    In the Facebook indictment. Facebook’s own HR told Federal Investigators, that Facebook find 30+ highly qualified local engineer applicants for every STEM job that Facebook openly advertises.

    Facebook’s HR told Federal investigators that they were barred, by company policy, from forwarding the resumes of these better qualified local applicants that they turn away (about 30 for every STEM job Facebook openly advertises) to the managers involved in Green Card certification for foreign engineers doing similar jobs as what the local engineer applied for. Because that would immediately invalidate the Green Card certification.

    Facebook hides the Green Card certification job ads, in 2-Sunday print editions of the San Francisco Chronicle, and refused the free offer of the Chronicle to place those job ads on the Chronicle jobs board.

    If a local applicant finds the job ad (buried in the Sunday print edition of the Chronicle) they have to send a stamped letter with their resume to a lawyers office in Palo Alto.

    Facebook did this 2600+ times over the 1.5 year covered by the investigation. But it has been going on for decades. And it amounts to massive discrimination against better qualified local STEM applicants to these companies.

    It only benefits managers that pad their fiefdom with compliant workers that owe them big time.

  9. @mxtthe3

    August 16, 2024 at 8:33 pm

    Forget Programming. Can they speak english?

    • @felizh82

      August 17, 2024 at 12:03 am

      your nanny can speak english, can she programing?

    • @cig_in_mouth3786

      August 17, 2024 at 12:27 am

      ​@@felizh82burn

    • @Cool-gk8mc

      August 17, 2024 at 3:26 pm

      @@felizh82programming is easy and not needed in the US.

    • @av98

      August 17, 2024 at 9:29 pm

      Bless your brains if you think programming is not needed 😂😂​@@Cool-gk8mc

  10. @rnjbond

    August 16, 2024 at 9:21 pm

    We need to fix our visa system. Make it merit based, not a lottery. And allow for more legal immigrants annually.

    • @htconexify

      August 16, 2024 at 10:18 pm

      no we do not need more immigrants. Help citizens first.

    • @Cool-gk8mc

      August 17, 2024 at 3:25 pm

      Real talent and not just programmers or any degree. That takes jobs. It’s a myth that the jobs are needed. Most getting visas are average rote learners and not creative.

    • @av98

      August 17, 2024 at 9:31 pm

      ​@@Cool-gk8mcUnlike you , they are learners.
      You just cry and crib.

  11. @bittinkerer6241

    August 16, 2024 at 10:26 pm

    The supply over demand for skilled labor at least on software industry is a lie, and it’s obvious at this point with tons of layoffs, stop beating a dead horse.
    Managers like H1Bs for obedience. Still, H1Bs should be granted and companies that get them should pay a fee, say 30% of the average salary for the position, that should go to grants for university students so that their supposedly supply problem gets fixed, it’s win-win.

    • @jakeleone8944

      August 17, 2024 at 1:36 pm

      Currently we give a 15% tax break to hire a foreign student, over a local student. We should extend the 15% OPT tax break to all studends (end the discrimination against local workers) and the unemployed, as part of an apprenticeship. We could easily pay for the program by reducing the foreign OPT duration from 27 months back to the original 6 months.
      This would give industry some incentive to hire a local for training. For example in our new government paid for semiconductor plants. Instead we incentivize the hiring of foreign students over our own, HOW INSANE.

  12. @banditonehundred

    August 16, 2024 at 11:17 pm

    Layoff US workers and hire H1B workers. If they make the salary requirement for H1B at least 30% higher, then it makes sense.

    • @tenminutetokyo2643

      August 17, 2024 at 1:59 pm

      Still illegal under Title 8 of US law. Go read it.

  13. @tenminutetokyo2643

    August 17, 2024 at 1:49 pm

    Stop lying. Most of these people are in violation of Title 8. It’s illegal to hire foreign workers using CHIPs and Science Act money. CHIPs and Science Act specifically says it must be used to hire American workers. American workers created Silicon Valley long before these looters broke in.

  14. @Cool-gk8mc

    August 17, 2024 at 3:23 pm

    Mostly not needed in the country. Everyone complains about the border but it’s h1b that takes jobs. There are Americans with a two year degree that can program better than people with a masters. Which is usually just a way to come in. Anyone can buy a degree. Let the standard be very high. Much higher and proof of talent.

    • @ProgrammingWIthRiley

      August 19, 2024 at 11:32 am

      Problem is it flushes the colleges with money from foreign countries.

      It’s a huge cash grab. Works for everybody but you, the native born citizen looking for a job.

  15. @xyzgta

    August 17, 2024 at 4:13 pm

    ~ @3:20 “I came on L1 on 2018” – Carolyn Hyde … who can get green card in 2018 itself because being british means there is little to no waiting time!!
    the issue is never about H1-B but more about path to becoming permanent residents which as we know is capped at a per country level… these dialogues are just noises to keep the real issue hidden …. tech loves H1B because they can recruit most talent at “value” paychecks and they can be locked in that price because these talents can never switch or truly be emancipated… these topics are just clickbaits knowing a billion indians will watch this (because of H1-B in the title) to improve this channel’s Impressions Click Rate KPI…

  16. @EuroScannisSchlager

    August 17, 2024 at 4:52 pm

    The H1-B visas makes US Tech workers jobless and they can’t no longer feed their famillies and their children cannot eat food on the table or go to school. Americans should all vote for Donald Trump to stop legal immigration as well as illegal immigration.

  17. @channelsold3236

    August 17, 2024 at 6:09 pm

    it’s a basically a new draft for high profile individuals
    no papers : $40k yearly extremely highly wanted
    citizens usa tech employee: $260k
    yea no brainer
    💡 💡 💸 💰 🤑

  18. @x-men69-96

    August 17, 2024 at 8:38 pm

    There are many jobless qualified Americans already. We don’t need H1B. If you’re a high skill worker, there is O type

  19. @KN-wb6un

    August 18, 2024 at 4:00 am

    Hire American citizens rather than outsource to h1b workers.

  20. @jairunet

    August 19, 2024 at 10:03 am

    I have no idea of what this lady is talking about, the H-1B visas will be provided based on your skills and the demand and criticality of your products and services, I have no issues with either presidents Obama or Trump, they are trying to politicize the immigration system, one thing we know though, all those illegal immigrants most be out, and the only candidate I hear talking about this seriously is Trump so… do the Math.

  21. @ProgrammingWIthRiley

    August 19, 2024 at 11:32 am

    It’s actually not important at all. The upper middle class of tech workers has been filled with immigrants.

    People like me have to scrape by and beg borrow and steal just to get one of these jobs.

  22. @ProgrammingWIthRiley

    August 19, 2024 at 11:34 am

    Cut the program, invest in native born citizens.

    Stop this importing because all we’re doing is moving our classes lower and lower into poverty.

  23. @ProgrammingWIthRiley

    August 19, 2024 at 11:36 am

    If the H-1B visa program were eliminated, employers would indeed face several pressures and might be forced to adapt in various ways:

    1. **Increased Training and Development**: Employers would need to invest more in training and developing domestic talent to fill the skill gaps previously filled by H-1B workers. This might involve enhancing training programs, offering more internships, and partnering with educational institutions.

    2. **Wage Adjustments**: With a reduced supply of highly skilled foreign workers, employers might need to offer higher wages and better benefits to attract and retain domestic talent. This could help improve the economic position of native workers, particularly those from lower socioeconomic backgrounds.

    3. **Talent Acquisition Strategies**: Companies might need to revise their recruitment strategies to focus more on domestic talent pools. This could include more aggressive recruitment efforts and potentially expanding outreach to underrepresented or underserved communities.

    4. **Innovation and Productivity**: Employers might seek to boost innovation and productivity through other means, such as investing in technology, improving processes, or fostering a more inclusive and supportive work environment.

    5. **Adjustment Period**: There could be a transition period where companies face challenges in meeting their immediate skill needs, which might affect project timelines and business operations.

    Overall, eliminating the H-1B program could lead to a shift in how companies address their workforce needs, potentially benefiting domestic workers in the long run, but also posing challenges as employers adjust to new realities.

    • @ProgrammingWIthRiley

      August 19, 2024 at 11:37 am

      God forbid we eliminate this program

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