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GothamChess
November 28, 2022 at 9:12 pm
Thanks so much for having me, Wired! 🙂
SR7 EDITZ
November 29, 2022 at 10:37 pm
Levy My man 🥺❣
SR7 EDITZ
November 29, 2022 at 10:38 pm
Goat_ham ❤
cvwxk
November 29, 2022 at 11:36 pm
LEVY absolute W
Everything Network
November 29, 2022 at 11:54 pm
**********
Haris Naufal
November 30, 2022 at 12:25 am
Pin of thanks
sia a
November 30, 2022 at 9:51 pm
pin of shame
SilverVayne
November 30, 2022 at 10:34 pm
Expect a surge in cheaters and cheaters improving their ability to avoid detection after this one!
Eduard Kolaj
December 1, 2022 at 12:06 am
GOATham Chess
krabz _
December 1, 2022 at 12:22 am
Yoo levy really made it
Kaiser Lou
December 1, 2022 at 12:31 am
pin of glory!!!
mike kunnecke
December 1, 2022 at 8:37 pm
come on man! You know the difference between a computer & a program. Don’t let these guys feed you a script
ole rya
December 1, 2022 at 9:22 pm
GOTHAM YOU’RE AMAZING
Chrioni Sta Ana
December 1, 2022 at 10:13 pm
GothamChess, you are a hypocrite, arrogant and foul lady. You have attitude and your simps doesn’t know your true nature.
Youtube Userman
December 2, 2022 at 12:12 am
Yo genuinely why do you look so handsome in this video haha
SenorQuichotte
December 2, 2022 at 1:14 am
You have no clue what you’re talking about. You make stupidity seem like a virtue. Go watch Ben Finegolds analysis instead of this garbage.
Thijmen Smit
December 2, 2022 at 7:30 pm
great job in thus video gotham!
Maddy
December 2, 2022 at 7:47 pm
love your videos
Emi Tizmo
December 2, 2022 at 9:07 pm
Thank your tribesmen for pushing you into a limelight. You are turning chess into a circus. Disgusting.
Tobias Brandner
December 2, 2022 at 11:53 pm
you have enspired my entire Chess journey and now i will be grandmaster next year!
//chameleon\
December 3, 2022 at 12:38 am
Ha
null
December 3, 2022 at 6:34 am
hikaru plays like a bot
Søren Kierkegaard
December 3, 2022 at 6:53 am
Lol
Robin_
December 3, 2022 at 1:33 pm
Ok.
karpyy24
December 3, 2022 at 10:20 pm
@Rattus Grenadus levy is an international master lmao. having a title makes you a pro. Still better than you’ll ever be
Rattus Grenadus
December 3, 2022 at 10:25 pm
@karpyy24 he literally isnt lol cucklet
karpyy24
December 4, 2022 at 6:37 pm
@Rattus Grenadus he is literally an international master, and thus, a chess professional. better than you’ll ever be lmao
Rattus Grenadus
December 4, 2022 at 7:13 pm
@karpyy24 yeah he *LITERALLY* isnt
TheGreat1
December 4, 2022 at 8:40 pm
At 3:32 do you think anyone has brought/used vibrating buttplugs? 😂
karpyy24
December 5, 2022 at 12:37 am
@Rattus Grenadus how do you define being a chess professional, because he is a chess professional by definition lmao
Rattus Grenadus
December 5, 2022 at 1:02 am
@karpyy24 okay animal lets do a test. e4 d5 ur white now what and why
Rattus Grenadus
December 5, 2022 at 4:49 pm
@NorthAmericaHemp you seem like ur off meds crazy
NorthAmericaHemp
December 5, 2022 at 4:58 pm
@Rattus Grenadus haha sure, this guys a fool. I’m very familiar with everything going on. Take something like cryptocurrency coding, you code in the fr@ud and have to remember 2million lines of code. He’s saying to think 2 moves in the future when you could clearly see the knight and queen sacrifice to a check MATE could only be done by a bot. That is beyond stupid and ridiculous, more so than his @nalBead theory for Hans
Quack
December 5, 2022 at 5:22 pm
You’re a good man
Robert Jansen
December 5, 2022 at 11:31 pm
YOU ARE NOT A GRAND MASTER. International Master is no match to Magnus Carlsen. You are giving pro commentaries as if you are a GM.
Robert Jansen
December 5, 2022 at 11:31 pm
L Gotham
W Hkaru
Michael Berkmann
May 25, 2023 at 4:26 pm
@Michael Parham yes, a computer wouldn’t play moves just to bait the opponent, he plays only moves that are perfect and even if the opponent doesn’t fall for the bait, the computer still has a better position. But you can’t beat a computer by just playing illogical moves because it will always find the best response and your position will be even worse if you play bad moves
Jerred Hamann
May 28, 2023 at 12:52 am
If ur opponent is playing like a bot its either a bot of magnus
A S H _ 灰
May 31, 2023 at 10:52 pm
Pin of FAME!
Abetts12
June 3, 2023 at 11:41 pm
You were amped, electric, might say wired for this interview
Knave the Dave
June 5, 2023 at 1:59 pm
I just realized that I have not had you suggested in years despite having subbed. I have to actively seek you out.
Mr Wess
June 21, 2023 at 3:20 am
Woooo
RealKevinPlays
June 27, 2023 at 4:37 pm
Love you
Filip van Dijke
June 30, 2023 at 7:08 am
He saceificed… HIS ACCOUNT!!!
Ediv Ebarle
July 9, 2023 at 3:36 am
he sacrificed the rook
Father Garcia
July 11, 2023 at 11:23 pm
The legend spoke
Serg Honest
November 29, 2022 at 12:37 am
GothamChess (Levi) seems to be a good guy. But if you are going to make a serious report, you need to interview a GM with more experience, not a popular youtuber.
Chintan Shah
November 29, 2022 at 12:39 am
So wired couldn’t even hire a GM for this?
JSR
November 29, 2022 at 12:41 am
The person who is cheating in a chess game is ultimately only defeating themselves. A mistake is a lesson. When you cheat The only thing you’re learning is how pathetic you are .
David Appelgate
November 29, 2022 at 12:46 am
Having watched a lot of Levy’s videos and the moves he calls “bot moves,” I’m kind of surprised that he considered the combination shown at 8:34 a bot move. I wouldn’t have found the knight move to make the king retreat, but once it was on the board, I saw the queen sac instantly. And I’m only ~800 elo. That’s not to flex, that’s just to say that I really think there could have been better examples of “bot moves” than a 1400 Tactics Puzzle.
Thrills
November 29, 2022 at 12:48 am
The video is about cheaters, you knew the context of the puzzle. Bruh moment
strw_skll
November 29, 2022 at 12:49 am
Levy the goat
mangosmoothiee
November 29, 2022 at 12:52 am
I mean at a certain point why would you ever train against humans when you can learn to play the right way against AI and just memorize patterns that lead to victory lmao
NYK
November 29, 2022 at 12:53 am
But that first example was literally a super simple mate…
Tushar khunte
November 29, 2022 at 12:55 am
Dropping a comment speaks for itself
Player
November 29, 2022 at 12:57 am
WHAT GOTHAM
Ordinary Alien
November 29, 2022 at 12:58 am
Ma boi getting bigger!
Ritika Kela
November 29, 2022 at 1:00 am
Always good to see Levy..!! 💓🌟
IKadek Wijaya
November 29, 2022 at 1:02 am
Jadi keinget dewakipas 😂
TROY GAYMING
November 29, 2022 at 1:16 am
Thank you WIRED, and Levy
Jayden Wiegel
November 29, 2022 at 1:19 am
I love this collab so muchhhhhh❤❤❤
Whitecanid
November 29, 2022 at 1:20 am
Our boi Rozman made it to WIRED! congrats! @GothamChess
Nicholas Wideman
November 29, 2022 at 1:20 am
Without proof you got nothing
Nothing
Canter1Ter
November 29, 2022 at 1:22 am
How much did Gotham “Levi” Шахматы pay you to call him a pro?
Manveer Gill
November 29, 2022 at 1:24 am
Ayooo, my boi Levy is famous.
Nemo Nomen
November 29, 2022 at 1:25 am
I’m not a chess expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems to me that someone who _is_ and expert might be able to see that future outcome at the end as easily as the AI did.
But maybe I’m underestimating the number of possible branching outcomes between sacrificing the queen and check mate.
Mrfool
November 29, 2022 at 1:26 am
This guy is defending hans nieman(caught cheating multiple times) and they ask him how to spot a cheater lmao. Americans supporting fellow americans be leik
Che Guevara
November 29, 2022 at 9:03 pm
If it was a 12 move mate, they’re cheating or a GM. If they find either a 5 or 7 move mate, then they’re aren’t half bad, but they aren’t cheating. And believe me accuracy is not that relevant as long as the opponent as bad. And if it’s short? Even higher accuracy. 85-90% accuracy isn’t hard against an average opponent, if you’re semi-competent competition player. And for example, even move times aren’t that helpful. If you recall, if they’re playing online, moving things, then clicking confirm, or just moving on an unresponsive iPad? They aren’t cheating. But I concede, yes most players with all those issues, then they are cheating. Or a mid rate GM.
Alejandro
November 29, 2022 at 11:48 pm
thanks for your input, guevara
miKey mouSe
November 29, 2022 at 9:05 pm
Maybe the only way to PROVE that an online player is cheating (by using an AI chess program) is to :
a) pick the most likely AI programs that they would use…
b) input each of the player’s moves into each of the chess programs…
c) if the AI program’s output moves match the player’s move, move for move, throughout the whole game, …
… then OK, the player cheated!
However, an easy way to defeat that check would be for the player to have several AI programs running, input the opponent’s move into each of them, then choose one of the AI program’s output move (choose a program at random). Oh yeah, and have a random time delay timer to vary your ‘move speed’, to make you look ‘more human’.
That shouldn’t be too hard to program, and would defeat the ‘move sequence’ check described above.
Actually, now that I think about it, that could be interesting to try out – see what sort of game you would get playing a ‘bot’ or person (for FUN, of course) as an experiment. 🙂
AnimeFan
November 29, 2022 at 11:34 pm
No, all you need to do is use one engine and look at the game/s. Do they play moves well above their level or their ability in the game, the time needed
Elio Calcaterra
November 29, 2022 at 9:13 pm
I just liked & subscribed thanks to @GothamChess
Tom West
November 29, 2022 at 9:18 pm
there’s a video of a dude making such a vibrating device and then demonstrating that in its silicon casing it wouldn’t be detected by metal detectors. now you might ask, how can a vibrator tell you what move to play? it’s like morse code. 1 vibration means one thing, 2 vibrations mean a second thing, etc. but they can be programmed and designed to be as complex and easy to use as you need them to be while being easy to conceal on (or in…) your body.
Juan Moreno
November 29, 2022 at 9:27 pm
Why not take the knight with the pawn on F6? why he moved the king and didn’t took the knight?
Bish Bash Bosh
November 29, 2022 at 9:35 pm
When does the chess pro turn up?
Jan ds
November 29, 2022 at 9:46 pm
Strange when i blunder i mean of course sarafice my queen the engine in the post game allways says its a blunder 😀
ROFLcopter
November 29, 2022 at 9:48 pm
okay so basically Magnus Carlsen was being a cry baby
AnimeFan
November 29, 2022 at 11:51 pm
Magnus has never acted that way
Luke Gordon
November 29, 2022 at 10:15 pm
I watch Gotham all the time and I don’t even play chess. His content is gold
anastasis 21
November 29, 2022 at 10:17 pm
Great video. Well said and presented good job.
Cryptoscopics
November 29, 2022 at 10:30 pm
We love Levy. Glad to see him on others channels, he deserve success.
Lepton Particle
November 29, 2022 at 10:34 pm
The queen sacrifise example is not a bot move, if they take the queen it’s literally mate in 2, not some superhuman strategy that only an AI can see
Alejandro
November 29, 2022 at 11:47 pm
It is still a bit suspicious though, especially if the person is already very likely cheating
Voidseeker
November 30, 2022 at 12:43 am
Qd5 is something you might see in a game. the combination with Ng5, sacrificing the knight, then following it up with Qd5 in case they reject the sacrifice, is just insanity.
K V
November 29, 2022 at 10:37 pm
ClickbaIt, no chess pros in this video
SR7 EDITZ
November 29, 2022 at 10:41 pm
As a fan I’m really proud of levy
Herman Francis
November 29, 2022 at 10:47 pm
congrats levy
BirdDawg
November 29, 2022 at 10:59 pm
Extremely well done Levi. Congratulations.
Henk Schmitz
November 29, 2022 at 11:48 pm
People play counter-intuitive moves too, sometimes! A stronger indication for foul play is when the same amount of time is spent on every single move, like a metronome. Then you get beaten, not by a honest human who thinks for himself, but by a computer.
Victor Finberg
November 30, 2022 at 12:04 am
wasn’t that a Morphy game ?
Rob Williams
November 30, 2022 at 12:44 am
Interesting…
What a waste of time…
Cheating only makes you a petty fraud…
EnZo CODM
November 30, 2022 at 12:46 am
0:00 to 0:15 *ERIC ROSEN LAUGHING IN THE CORNER*
Parishrpr
November 30, 2022 at 1:06 am
Buzz buzz
Yeeter the noob deleter
November 30, 2022 at 1:11 am
So many people in the comments underestimate the position.
It’s not even close to mate if you don’t take the queen.
It takes 35+ moves for stockfish 15 to force mate.
What do I name this channel
November 30, 2022 at 1:17 am
You see because I study computer moves and I am willing to sacrifice anything for a checkmate once I see it, don’t be surprised if I sacrifice a queen
The Shinikuri Reaper
November 30, 2022 at 1:22 am
‘No human in history has ever played a sequence of moves like that’
Well too bad, 6 year old me did, because I sucked at chess, I just happened to win for once in fourty seven matches.
Simbacaned Guy
November 30, 2022 at 11:48 pm
The cheating example wasn’t great. Since the queen was under threat, and there was an obvious x-ray of the rook on the king, the position would play itself for anyone rated over 2000 uscf. However, a better example would’ve been if the queen hadn’t been under attack by the b-pawn (which we will say is on b7 defending the knight), and the king was already on g8. This is because Qd5 would still be the second best move. This may seem obvious to begginers because if the pawn takes you checkmate, so it must be good. However, chess isn’t that simple. The opponent doesn’t have to take and this is where the human would have to think “How do I justify this move if my opponent doesn’t take the queen” It is very difficult to justify this, with possibly the only reason being “I want to centralise my queen”. But with lots of other principles running around a humans head, such as “Always retreat” it would be extremely difficult for many humans to justify Qd5 over retreating the queen. A computer, however, would calculate the line 30 moves deep and play it anyway. This is the position I am talking about, btw . Qd5 here is the second strongest move, but for a human to justify is tough. I guess the idea is Qd5, Qd6, Qf8#. But black is in time with h6, f5. Very difficult to justify Qd5 here, not so much in the position you showed.
Niels Harksen
November 30, 2022 at 11:52 pm
The queen sacrifice is not that hard to find for a strong player. I am sure the world elite would find this moves in under a minute. If you are playing rapid against a 1200 though and they make this move though….
Levent Çelik
November 30, 2022 at 11:54 pm
Hikaru mentioned that you can cheat by simply relating a single beep.
Beep means there’s an important move to pay attention. If you know a move exists, you try hard to find it.
No beep means the moves are not hard to find. You don’t lose time.
Uncle Willibomb
November 30, 2022 at 11:56 pm
The first example was actually pretty easy to spot, you’re queen is being attacked so you’re looking for a square to escape to and naturally you would find d5 as the best move.
Strider
December 1, 2022 at 12:04 am
Yo Levy
William Wallace
December 1, 2022 at 12:17 am
I have an 80% rapid win rate but that’s because I’ve only played 90 games and I’m nowhere near my true rating. For blitz, it’s 56% after 650 games and I’m 2000 so yeah. High win rates can be indicative of cheating but not every single time.
M5A1 Stuart
December 1, 2022 at 12:18 am
So if a woman using a vibrators that mean she is cheating right?
8Stormy5
December 1, 2022 at 12:27 am
I agree that the example of a “bot move” was rather poor. However I understand that this is for general audiences and “bots will play seemingly nonsensical moves to save a tempo eight moves later” and “bots will sacrifice three points of material to gain three-point-two points of positional advantage” will simply not make sense to many viewers without unwarrantedly-long explanation.
Emma
December 1, 2022 at 12:28 am
“no human in history has ever played a sequence of moves like that” is maybe a bit of an overstatement when talking about a queen sac that requires 3 moves of foresight xD
LofiAndChill
December 1, 2022 at 12:33 am
The first chess play is a good sacrifice?
coolguy 574
December 1, 2022 at 12:34 am
Local elementary school is having another tournament next month. With these tips I’ll finally be able to teach those little kids that they aren’t so smart. Thanks guys!!
Cherry
December 1, 2022 at 12:41 am
I love sacrificing my queen. Leveraging the ‘value’ of chess pieces to ‘trick’ an opponent to drop their guard or to have them assume that you made a blunder or have them take the queen to gain control, however they allow me an advantage over the board or a region of the board.
“All warfare is based on deception” – Sun Tzu
Dominic Moisant
December 1, 2022 at 12:56 am
Melon Husk lol
Joe Josephi
December 1, 2022 at 12:57 am
Very nice of Levy to boost small content creators like WIRED
D I
December 1, 2022 at 12:57 am
Lost to a chess program on a treadmill 🤣👉
Franco Fernando
December 1, 2022 at 1:03 am
I’m actually just as impressed that the cheaters are able to remember all of the moves enough to enter them into their smartphone once they get to the toilet
saywut
December 1, 2022 at 1:06 am
that example game looked alot like Eric Rosen game vs a cheater, lol.
Arthur Marcil
December 1, 2022 at 1:06 am
8:02
Well I guess I am a Bot.
I just sacrificed The King to save a pawn.
Hans B. Dein
December 1, 2022 at 1:07 am
Yes the queen sac is not exceptional. The ai behaviour was sacrificing the knight to obtain a position where you could sac the queen
Wafflin
December 1, 2022 at 1:16 am
I really don’t understand why the queen didn’t just take the pawn? Like it’s the faster way to win? I don’t get it?
Aaron Eley
December 1, 2022 at 1:20 am
first 10 seconds… so many people would play Queen d5. I saw it and Im stupid sooo
Randy Titler
December 1, 2022 at 1:22 am
Says human players dont sacrifice,
ME: a chess novice who will regularly accidentally sacrifice pieces, opponent cant predict you, if you dont know what youre doing yourself
THG
December 1, 2022 at 1:23 am
Love the logic is, he can’t be this dumb to take such a risk, or he can’t be this smart to know exactly.
Mr. GG
December 1, 2022 at 1:29 am
Everything he said is 100% true, I just wish they’d used a better example for the “sacrifice’ than the Ng5+ into bishop mate. I mean that’s a 2-move forced checkmate if black plays Kg8 which I would not say was insane. If instead you take the knight as fxg5 then you just get fxg5+ which forces Qf6 into a pin. No matter what that Ng5+ move is super strong. I mean it’s pretty likely the dude was cheating but I wouldn’t say that sacrifice was really a clear cut cheating example.
The Hitomiboy
December 1, 2022 at 7:01 pm
That example was bad. Thats the exact sequence I would have worked out in a minute or two
Parlè
December 1, 2022 at 7:30 pm
Like u choose such a bad position, it doesn’t seem at all like an engine move.
Trap Music Now
December 1, 2022 at 7:31 pm
This entire video is null and void when you play against someone who has zero risk adversity and doesn’t care if they win or lose. It’s just wildcard playing lol
Jack
December 1, 2022 at 7:35 pm
Where was the chess pro in the video? Sorry I have a bad attention span
agogi
December 2, 2022 at 12:41 am
Probably the IM
intrusiveThoughts
December 1, 2022 at 7:53 pm
What an idiot lmao
aDishTowel
December 1, 2022 at 8:22 pm
I will never understand why people cheat in an online game with no stakes. They completely taking themselves out of the equation. What’s the point? Where’s the joy of victory in that. If I made a chess AI or a cheat myself I could understand but cheating just to get a win just doesn’t make sense to me. If anyone can enlighten me as to why you cheat and what you get out of it, I would love to hear.
George Derleres
December 1, 2022 at 8:26 pm
Oh well, the variation where the knight is taken is much more bot-like than the one with the queen sacrifice. GMs can actually play these kind of moves
Soinas Doyi
December 1, 2022 at 8:27 pm
Thanks my dudes now I know how to avoid being detected
Amy Caspit
December 1, 2022 at 8:44 pm
LEVY GOT ON WIRED
Jotaro's_ Dolphins
December 1, 2022 at 9:09 pm
The best way to find a cheater in chess is to check their backdoor first
ClubChess
December 1, 2022 at 9:20 pm
anyone rated lower than me who beats me is almost certainly cheating
Sam Hopwood
December 1, 2022 at 9:40 pm
Nerd
Ryangg
December 1, 2022 at 10:10 pm
the queen sacrifices were horrible examples
A Novice Pro
December 1, 2022 at 10:27 pm
Is this the guy who were called out Dewa Kipas a cheater but then it turned out Dewa Kipas is actually cheating after all the noise and investigations? Lol good times.
Raoul.__.r
December 1, 2022 at 10:40 pm
What… what if he thinks ahead 💀
mage davee
December 1, 2022 at 11:21 pm
Did I miss something but the example he clearly says he sacrificed a knight, and a queen. He showed the knight captured, but then the knight was back and the king was forced forward because the knight wasn’t captured, which led the queen sacrifice, and then checkmate. Like did he forget the actual moves and only came up with gist of what happened?
Nic (J Bruce Feynman Niccolo P. Bentulan)
December 1, 2022 at 11:43 pm
I win 80% easy because of farmbitrage, a combination of farming and arbitrage. Just private challenge rapid chess players to play blitz chess960 lol
McMerry
December 1, 2022 at 11:44 pm
Lo why cheating? 😂
kdlittle88
December 2, 2022 at 12:10 am
“No Human In History Has Ever Played A Sequence Of Moves Like That”. True… Bobby Fischer wasn’t human.
Rony
December 2, 2022 at 12:22 am
Is vibrating noise a sign of cheating?
Tokevaeri
December 2, 2022 at 12:54 am
Calling gotham a chess pro is like calling hasbullah a pro mma fighter
Zierim
December 2, 2022 at 1:08 am
Sianjing membuka luka lama yg telah sembuh 💀💀💀
SenorQuichotte
December 2, 2022 at 1:12 am
Levy is a dolt, this “analysis” is total garbage. Go watch Ben Finegold’s video.
THSand
December 2, 2022 at 1:22 am
The opening example feels a bit weird, I think any slightly experienced player would see that the queen to D5 move is safe because an attempt to take the queen results in immediate checkmate, and an experienced opponent would see that taking the queen results in checkmate as well.The full version of it later does however feel completely absurd.
Miguel Luhulima
December 2, 2022 at 4:28 pm
Dewa Kipas cheated and received thousands of dollars lol
ASSASSIN79100
December 2, 2022 at 4:29 pm
3:32 Levy missed a spot guys
Taehan Stott
December 2, 2022 at 5:08 pm
How to spot cheaters: check if their seat is vibrating
SpeedeeSpeedBoi
December 2, 2022 at 5:26 pm
Wait i thought thats how grandmasters play. Sacrificing queens and even kings
Roman
December 2, 2022 at 5:42 pm
I think many grandmasters would find that sequence and queen sacrifice, not because they “see the future” but because they understand concepts and thus would notice that the king is vulnerable and consequently look for tactics to take advantage of vulnerabilities. The queen sacrifice here is a low to medium difficulty chess puzzle.
NoobsPlay Sensei
December 2, 2022 at 5:52 pm
Excuse me
I have seen a man sitting next to me sacrificing a queen to mentally trick the opponent to let their guard down …
D Hurst
December 2, 2022 at 6:21 pm
A player wouldn’t find a move that leads to mate in 1 ?
Petr Maly
December 2, 2022 at 6:42 pm
“No human in history has ever played a sequence of moves like that” – Well, that’s not true. In 1851 in London Andressen played this strategy in hi “immortal chess game”.
simmojosh
December 2, 2022 at 6:46 pm
Really should have just let levy talk more rather than butting in
Seyam Rahman
December 2, 2022 at 7:12 pm
“No human in history has played a move like that”
Me constantly sacrificing all my pieces cuz less pieces = simpler: 👁👃👁
Landon Oames
December 2, 2022 at 8:28 pm
i feel like a top level gm would have saw that queen sac tbh
Jaylen Lenear
December 2, 2022 at 8:58 pm
The first/final example is also flawed because a tactical player would indeed see Ng5 Qd5 combo (not particularly high rated either. Someone 2100 seeing that wouldn’t surprise me.
Jaylen Lenear
December 2, 2022 at 9:07 pm
The online portion allegations are very vague and can and do happen by real people. It’s part of the reason cheating online is so rampant as well because tbh a human can totally pull off a winning streak, be disciplined enough to think consistent time each move and if his opponent plays weak moves obvious to exploit and/or has good opening prep a consistent high accuracy isn’t to uncommon either. Don’t get me wrong someone U2000 achieving all this is sus but plenty people can do everything he said.
El Barto
December 2, 2022 at 9:19 pm
Levy is a chess cheater
Christmas Play
December 2, 2022 at 9:41 pm
What's in a name?
December 2, 2022 at 9:59 pm
“under your armpit”….
Yes, yes of course. Nowhere else to hide such a “device”
WillYumLIVE
December 2, 2022 at 10:57 pm
GOAT
alexamder hamiltom
December 2, 2022 at 11:15 pm
how to spot a cheater : “indonesian names”
Phlegethon
December 3, 2022 at 12:20 am
Christ I remember back in the day about to crush this 12 year old rated 1700 or 1800something uscf and all of a sudden you saw his dad in the corner with a laptop he took a pause to go to the bathroom and then his son followed and somehow figured out how to beat me in a seemingly unwinable position for a human
Gustavo Silva
December 3, 2022 at 12:26 am
Levy looks so different in the thunbnail. It’s the first time i see someone say “chess pro”, and his haters gonna be like “you can analyze this game! It’s above your level”.
NevermindPlays2.0
December 3, 2022 at 12:26 am
The queen example was terrible lmao
Gustavo Silva
December 3, 2022 at 12:29 am
0:05 This US style of narration is so weird
R - G - C
December 3, 2022 at 1:20 am
The example that was chosen doesn’t make too much sense for experienced players is because that position is meant for beginners to get the general ideas of bots using weird moves to cheat. Sacrificing a Queen is way more counter intuitive for a beginner than maybe a weird positional move.
Turbo 86
December 3, 2022 at 1:42 pm
Everyone criticising the queen move at the start; this is for noobs like me to get the point quickly.
Yes, you are correct that it is not a great example for experienced players, but it serves its purpose very well here.
Davus
December 3, 2022 at 2:16 pm
I guess im a bot since i play risky dumb moves..
Mattias Sollerman
December 3, 2022 at 2:40 pm
If my opponent found that queen sac on the board I’d be 100% sure they’d either be cheating or has solved at least one tactics exercise in their life. Perhaps several.
Cowtymsmiesznego
December 3, 2022 at 6:33 pm
XDDD that’s a good way to put it.
Fluf Pet
December 3, 2022 at 2:42 pm
Chess players should start playing in rooms that don’t allow signals enter
Piotr Krajewski
December 3, 2022 at 3:08 pm
How to spot a cheater in chess?
He twerks in morse code.
😉
Nathaniel Krefman
December 3, 2022 at 3:08 pm
If black had just resisted the urge to take the queen, white would have to attack the pawn at e6 to put the king in check, and black could take the queen with the bishop at c3. I’m not good at chess, so maybe I’m missing something, but I feel like this more shows that black isn’t good at chess as opposed to showing that white is an AI.
White could also have sacrificed the bishop at e4 rather than the queen to the same end, and it looks more obvious and less suspicious, since the queen is already in line to put the king in check with the black pawn at e6 out of the way.
Another point. Queen retreating to C1 ends up forcing a queen trade where the black queen takes it at C1 and the rook takes the black queen. While it’s a “fair trade,” it’s not obviously a good outcome unless you have a plan going several moves even past that. That’s complex enough to think about that considering other lines is worth it, which I think would make queen d5 more appealing.
Kimbo Appleby
December 3, 2022 at 3:19 pm
Theres an option on one of the chess app to have this option as it teaches you the moves, however your literally playing against another ai
Nathan Cohen
December 3, 2022 at 3:48 pm
That Queen sacrifice into double Bishop mate is really not as suspicious as this video is making it out, imo. It’s a mate in 2, which is a pretty common thing if you do a lot of puzzles. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see a puzzle like that.
The Knight play is a little iffy, but it seems really hard to say that’s definitely a cheater off of just those couple of plays.
Timo
December 4, 2022 at 12:20 am
Its one thing to figure out a puzzle when you know there is a solution and another to consider obscure moves in a game where you are not guaranteed a forced win.
J D
December 3, 2022 at 3:52 pm
Is this guy Joshua Weissman’s cousin?
First name Last name
December 3, 2022 at 5:10 pm
This guy is not even a high level chess player.
Wtf is anyone listening to this amateur? LMFAOO
Guy is funny and a good youtuber, but he should stick within his realm of expertise.
First name Last name
December 3, 2022 at 5:11 pm
Such a dumb example, awful video WIRED.
Guy is funny and a good youtuber, but he should stick within his realm of expertise.
First name Last name
December 3, 2022 at 5:13 pm
1:16 Are u stupid??
It’s not Artificial Intelligence HAHAHA
It’s machine and deep learning, 100% not interchangeable.
Max R
December 3, 2022 at 6:17 pm
The editing where they are doing the line analysis is absolutely shocking … just stay on one board or keep split screen
AJ P
December 3, 2022 at 6:51 pm
What a weird example to use. Qd5 can be found literally just by checking for checks.
Metasyn
December 3, 2022 at 7:38 pm
Yeah, once the knight has moved, then the follow up with the queen seems fairly obvious.
Moving that knight though is kinda weird, since a knight for a pawn without an immediate checkmate seems pretty weird.
Sean Hunt
December 3, 2022 at 8:07 pm
Niemann already admitted cheating, I don’t know who he thinks he’s fooling. Cheater. Ban him.
kiraPh1234k
December 3, 2022 at 8:28 pm
Sacrifices aren’t as strange as Gotham is trying to claim. Especially that queen sac.
connor
December 3, 2022 at 9:28 pm
that opening move does not seem so crazy but maybe thats just me im like 900 elo after all lol
Mike Rafone
December 3, 2022 at 9:36 pm
lmao i totally misheard it and thought it said: _”wiredass top chess youtuber levy rozman..”_
tor ו
December 3, 2022 at 10:13 pm
How to spot cheaters, or as I like to call it, how to remember the Dewa Kipas scandal
JackPost06
December 3, 2022 at 10:21 pm
the example isn’t that robotic, I feel like some people would be able to see it
Timo
December 3, 2022 at 11:56 pm
The queensac complaining has overblown in the comments. The move is HARD to find:
First the video shows queensac, its findable.
Then the video shows that it starts with a knight sacrifice, which means you have to consider two obscure moves ahead.
The move is still findable, especially in a puzzle scenario where you know there is an answer but if you add everything together (player has 100% winrate, has account for under week, 90+% accuracy every game…) you can safely say you either play against genious which is unlikely, a smurf which is unfortunate or a cheater which is the most likely case.
(Oh and I agree about the part where most suspicious moves on high ranks are the weird moves where you just move a safe piece to WORSE position seemingly wasting a move but its actually best move because it prevents something happening in 5 moves. Problem is that those moves aren’t suspicious on lower ranks because players just don’t know what to do and decide to move a piece for no reason all the time, making it difficult to spot cheaters)
Grεεk Frog
December 4, 2022 at 12:01 am
This makes me scared of the progression of AI. Also, if you’re a cheater, just find something you’re naturally good at and do that. Don’t ruin things for other people. That’s dumb.
bruv.
December 4, 2022 at 12:22 am
Well…. I sacrifises everything for faster checkmate and still got 60-70% accuracy, even i sacrifising a queen for checkmate in the next move and it categorized as blunder move
Jared B
December 4, 2022 at 12:51 am
If a computer can play your game better then you, it’s time to find a new game. Happened in poker with me.
Jordan Gersson
December 4, 2022 at 1:54 pm
Hahahhaha dewa kipas destroyers
s0lid
December 4, 2022 at 1:57 pm
im so proud of seeing levy in here
VDX
December 4, 2022 at 2:01 pm
They didn’t show the bishop stall.
T
December 4, 2022 at 3:13 pm
Isn’t this the guy who claimed Hans was cheating with no proof? Why should I listen to this tool?
David Liu
December 4, 2022 at 3:44 pm
No, that is Magnus Carlsen.
cheezesaints
December 4, 2022 at 4:09 pm
IF YOU’RE NOT CHEATING, YOU’RE NOT TRYING!
Because You Can 2
December 4, 2022 at 5:50 pm
I make those sacrifice moves. And a chess “master” would also. Bad logic
Unknown Filmmaker
December 4, 2022 at 6:39 pm
Lots of stuff here makes sense but I reject the idea that such sacrifices are automatically suspicious. I mean, people can feel that way if they want, but it doesn’t mean it’s correct. I play like that all the time as a point of being creative and seeing what is possible. People need to be careful with such assumptions because that can hurt the game as much as cheating can.
Loki
December 4, 2022 at 6:58 pm
The first example is tragically bad imo
I guess its fine not to give a new player that credit but the King is very obviously vulnerable and you only need to think 1 move ahead to conclude Queen sacrifice
PENG JES
December 4, 2022 at 7:04 pm
That sacrifice really wasn’t odd. “No human has ever played a sequence like that” 🤣 o..kay.
Get your point, but that was still only a few moves ahead versus some of the AI stuff where they run down their pieces and somehow win with 3 pawns and a bishop vs a full board
levet byck
December 4, 2022 at 8:13 pm
just interested when this vid actually was made..
mike
December 4, 2022 at 8:32 pm
thanks for making it easier to evade cheat detection!
Justin Music and Skateboarding
December 4, 2022 at 9:07 pm
Some of the claims in this video are outright nonsense. Really, nobody in the HISTORY of humanity has EVER made a move like that??? Anybody whose able to plan more than 3 moves ahead must be a cheater??? Such idiocy
Alex Vladimirov
December 4, 2022 at 9:23 pm
Why wouldn’t a human sacrifice a queen for checkmate? That was a bad example.
Tang Solaris
December 4, 2022 at 10:23 pm
Poor initial example
Shark Tank Poker
December 4, 2022 at 10:48 pm
One time I was playing ANTI-CHESS online and it was an unrated game
All of a sudden “CHEAT DETECTED, YOU WIN” popped up
Wtf…. LOL
Kat V
December 4, 2022 at 11:10 pm
I *always* move the trash pawns out of the way and only use the back row. Guess I’m a genius according to him 🙂
Ham Hotpocket
December 4, 2022 at 11:11 pm
“I once lost to a treadmill” I f’ing lost it xD
Darles Chickens
December 4, 2022 at 11:19 pm
So I thought this said “Cheese pro explains how to spot cheesers”
Garry Quack
December 4, 2022 at 11:50 pm
1:30 you just have to listen for the vibrations
rdt arcade
December 5, 2022 at 1:00 am
I think i will start cheating in chess just to annoy this guy
SnowDinner
December 5, 2022 at 1:02 am
I mean the first example is not that hard to do. I would see it 9/10 times. I get the general concept of why they used that example though
Llyon Nel
December 5, 2022 at 1:21 am
External or internal 🤔 question life will throw at me that will never be solved
FEnCSERX
December 5, 2022 at 1:28 am
Honestly… that bot move looked findable in a classical game.
Roy Mustang
December 5, 2022 at 1:31 am
Whut, I have seen some people sacrificing their Queen in the live match, it’s not that unusual to sacrifice a strong piece to victory
Enigma Vids
December 5, 2022 at 6:10 am
As someone that has quit multiple video games due to cheaters. I hope it gets sorted out to protect the integrity of chess.
Cheaters are selfish dimwits with no respect/honor/integrity. Disrupting an entire franchise of competition to fuel their ego.
If you disagree I’ll assume you’re one of those rats, not sorry.
VugtBoy
December 5, 2022 at 6:53 am
How did they know he was doing the iphone thing on the toilet, who was looking!
terminal lima
December 5, 2022 at 7:02 am
(Dewa Kipas left the chat)
Brian Finnegan
December 5, 2022 at 7:10 am
Ironic getting a Jew to show how to cheat
Anthony Sanchez
December 5, 2022 at 8:14 am
ThT first move he showed us is a power move bc no matter what it puts them in a bad spot
c0rrupt reality
December 5, 2022 at 9:33 am
Lol nerds
Jeremy Gallardo
December 5, 2022 at 10:26 am
“no human in history has played a sequence of moves like that”…. I have
Pao Chongloi パオです。
December 5, 2022 at 10:34 am
Me who is average 🤣
Sacrifice Queen too so am i a AI too.
I mean i see chess as to protect the King no matter what Queen is reasonable to protect till the last because she is the most flexible in the field but in the end she is just a Pawn to play for victory. Now considering sacrificing the Queen is considered AI is just “Meh” to me tbh.
Don’t get me wrong i am no expert but never thought Expert would go to the extent saying this kinda weird me out.
Akasha DxD
December 5, 2022 at 1:19 pm
Ill be honest if u dont sacrefice like that ur just bad at Chess when its so obvious that u can trap the enemy like that
Sigma chad
December 5, 2022 at 1:26 pm
I have cheated only when fighting againts my friends
Sofia Guzman
December 5, 2022 at 2:12 pm
Omg I’ve known you for years now, I am so proud you are in Wired!!!! Love you!!
Alexander Man
December 5, 2022 at 2:48 pm
Sacrifice the quin for nothing=win in one move, this was the type of chess puzzles I had in chess school, and only after passing all the puzzles of such sort I would be allowed to play (in that particular day) this is called thinking out of the box, something you are supposed to do in chess
Mauer01
December 5, 2022 at 10:54 pm
without the knight check first this wouldnt have worked though.
and without the plan of the queen the knight check is just plain stupid.
yes its worded bad, but the situation is a good example
ChristophGangrel
December 5, 2022 at 2:50 pm
“No human players make sacrifes like this.”
Me who made stupid sacrifices because of rookie mistakes that in the end led to victories: “Maybe I am a machine” (Vision.jpg)
TheUKNutter
December 5, 2022 at 3:02 pm
These moves are easy to find and are terrible examples of exposing cheaters. The video is a shame.
Crisscross
December 5, 2022 at 4:36 pm
IM Lost to a threadmill 😭
ComplexOri
December 5, 2022 at 5:06 pm
9:26
Leela: I’m the best chess player in the world!
Stockfish: No I am!
???: Pfft, amateurs
Leela & Stockfish: What did you say punk?
Edward Lasker: Amateurs (Edward Lasker vs George Alan Thomas 1912)
Trent Sullivan
December 5, 2022 at 6:10 pm
I disagree. In the move that he deemed suspicious sacrificing the Queen is really not all that suspicious if you know you can end the game in one move after that. I’ve made plenty of moves like that and never even played online or knew about cheating software
Louis Robitaille
December 5, 2022 at 7:01 pm
0:05 That’s the kind of move I’d make. Not because I’m some sort of genius on the level of AIs but because I’m too focused on another part of the board to see the pawn 🥲.
Ahoy Matey
December 5, 2022 at 7:15 pm
A 1 move checkmate after a queen sacrifice is evidence of a bot? O.k LMFAO, trash video ! I am now introducing myself as a grandmaster, I clearly deserve the title.
Björn Eriksson
December 5, 2022 at 8:09 pm
Horrible editing
Garl Vinland
December 5, 2022 at 8:40 pm
“A person wouldn’t sac a Queen to get a checkmate”
Ummmmm… what? A bad player wouldn’t maybe.
Adolfo Coy
December 5, 2022 at 10:45 pm
I thought Gotham Chess was tired of the drama?
Bui Doi
December 5, 2022 at 11:54 pm
Honestly, the example is only suspicious if the white player had to think every move. If they moved the Knight and then played the forced checkmate instantly, then it is not suspicious. I could believe a human could find that checkmate
ModernMinded
June 5, 2023 at 7:39 am
I’m not a good chess player, but honestly, that first move seemed like a pretty obvious queen sacrifice to me.
Like a sac with an instant mate right after? That doesn’t feel beyond human comprehension.
gourdy
June 5, 2023 at 9:22 pm
9:16 I swear that was my game idk who was white
Joshua Music
June 6, 2023 at 1:38 am
I get that he dumbed this down for non chess audiences. In reality many intermediate players at the club level are capable of playing moves that sacrifice material to access the king. Or move a piece to an “unprotected” square because taking is bad. We play long games at a board with time to think. Not 3 minute games on our phones on the toilet.
Scorpion 224
June 6, 2023 at 12:04 pm
“2 or 3 moves in is what most high level players see” then shows picture of Hikaru Nakamura that can predict the entire game
Reg learns chess
June 6, 2023 at 8:03 pm
“chess speaks for itself” – some dude
ryutheslayer123
June 7, 2023 at 12:48 am
That Queen sacrifice move that the bot played, would it not have made more sense to take the pawn and skip an entire 2 turns for the same effect?
Mech Mind
June 9, 2023 at 7:40 am
Was playing a 1500 guy, completely outplayed me with almost 92% accuracy. Was sure of cheating. I got my rating back as well but he wasn’t actually cheating. It was Daniel Naroditsky doing a speed run..😂
Simon Boisjoli
June 9, 2023 at 7:50 pm
Cheating at chess seems more complicated than becoming good at chess.
Just Another Cheese Inflated Rat...
June 10, 2023 at 1:25 am
Bro i take 8-15 to make a move tho ( prob why i have 350 elo)
SkyJumper409
June 10, 2023 at 10:15 pm
according to the thumbnail, the new zero elo bot is a cheater.
Rozpu
June 11, 2023 at 8:31 am
now i know why i was accused of being a cheater in chess xd bc i started to play online like 2 weeks ago and i like to try to do things against the rules, like sacrificing a bishop to open b7 so the castling wont be so useful for my oponent xd
Johnny Doe
June 11, 2023 at 11:26 am
Rule 1
Never Defeat Magnus in Classical.
You will Automatically become a
Cheater. 😂
BomxDurt To
June 11, 2023 at 11:42 am
what if gms opened alt accs and played there like how do u spot that
moosehead
June 11, 2023 at 12:30 pm
That queen sac being inhuman when it’s literally 2 move to checkmate is nonsense. If it was 10 or 20 moves ok but a 2 move queen sac people have been doing for 100s of years
AbsoluteZeroChill
June 12, 2023 at 6:56 pm
Bot: Sacs the queen for almodt guaranteed mate in 2 IF black takes with pawn
Levy: Cheating!
Marshall 100 years ago: sacs queen for guaranteed mate
Levy: Greatest move of all time!
Paul d
June 12, 2023 at 9:01 pm
I had a great game recently, I won with a dubious checkmate. I used the computer analysis to see what the computer thought of my game. I had a 66% accuracy lol
BLUEwater
June 14, 2023 at 12:44 am
dude i win like 30 percent BUT I ANALIZE and i did alot of brilliant and best moves
BUt I DONT KNOW im not the best sometimes i take like sometimes 9 seconds to 4
seconds im not the best
Spen Hunter
June 14, 2023 at 5:42 am
bro what that queen sac puzzle was so ez for my 1800 rated brain and it probably would be for anyone over 1.2k
Polytanium
June 14, 2023 at 3:45 pm
That queen sac could’ve been found by anyone with an elo over 400, idk what they’re talking about.
Jack Hindle
June 14, 2023 at 7:49 pm
So much effort to just cheat
Robert Watson
June 15, 2023 at 10:32 am
How can you possibly cheat? You are being watched the entire time.!
Mode
June 16, 2023 at 6:37 am
Thanks, now i know how to not get caught
xajrqileo
June 17, 2023 at 1:25 pm
Levy on the thumbnail looks like a stereotypical chess nerd.
Matthew James Kincaid
June 17, 2023 at 1:43 pm
Aliens.
Victor Franca
July 1, 2023 at 11:49 pm
One engine move is enough to throw the game. Over the board is the only way. Levi is full of it
Skullmiser
July 2, 2023 at 2:26 am
Mikhail Tal sacrificed all his pieces all the time.
Little Mac is Underrated
July 2, 2023 at 11:30 am
“If you sacrifice the queen that’s really suspicious”
Nah fam I’m just horrible at the game 💀
oles schwester
July 3, 2023 at 8:34 am
Elo is not an acronym…
Oliver Parrish
July 3, 2023 at 9:50 am
Magnus carlsen on Adderall as someone on Adderall is a really scary thought it’s definitely a performance enhancing drug for chess 😂😂
Michael R
July 4, 2023 at 6:39 pm
Out of curiosity, what if there was someone who was both a chess prodigy as well as possessing an eidetic (photographic) memory? If that person would review hundreds of games a day, he would essentially have the same memory functionality as a bot. This would be an interesting challenge to the scientific community.
MrVVulf
July 5, 2023 at 3:06 am
9:27 – “No human in history has ever played a sequence of moves like that…”
Nezhmetdinov rolls over in his grave, remember 5 or 6 of his own games.
94D33M
July 5, 2023 at 11:55 am
Tbh that could also be titled as ‘The best queen sacrifice of all time’
Nippleless Cage
July 6, 2023 at 12:46 am
“Kesperov” 💀
Saytron
July 6, 2023 at 3:19 am
jajaj a ver, con lo del inicio. Mi vro, son humanos, no robots. Tienen la suficiente creatividad y destreza como para en algún momento realizar un sacrificio o una trampa xd Literalmente, en secundaria, en mis cursos de ajedrez esas jugadas eran de lo más normal xD
galkanftw
July 7, 2023 at 5:22 pm
What I do find funny is people keep saying play puzzles and learn all these tricky moves and sacs but if a player does that in game he is a cheat ..lol.
If I was suspicious I would look first at multiple insane moves not just one or two and auto think player is cheating because that is imo lame and WRONG and it does not mater what that move or two was because it can simply happen.
Now if a plyer makes 5 questionable insane moves in a row then certainly the red flags come up.
However I was watching a GM lose over and over to another IM and he was 100% certain the IM was cheating so he did the profile look and studied every game.Well he was WRONG and realized it then I am sure felt stupid because his opponent was making weak plays often there were just some really good plays as well that frustrated the GM.
To me that is ego busting GM’s hate to lose.
Now if we are going to suspect that a lot cheat guess what you better start at the top because when comes to fame and fortune you can bet cheating is right close behind.
Gildog 1
July 7, 2023 at 10:23 pm
My name is Bot. Seriously my real name.
ShadowStrike Gaming
July 8, 2023 at 6:37 pm
Me: sees this brilliant move by sacrificing a queen
Levy: CHEATER
Siim Tõkke
July 9, 2023 at 2:55 pm
I’m just a noob at chess, but isn’t the goal to capture the king? Sure sacrificing the queen is a bad move, but if it leads to the win why wouldn’t a grand master do that move? Also, what happens when someone like Carlsen starts to study AI moves, wouldn’t he be able to outthink others and seemingly look like AI is playing? In e-sports (either Dota or LoL) for years it was considered a bad way to train if you played against bots. But then someone managed to create a bot that started to do some weird plays that the human player could not beat. And soon after that, every major e-sport team was training against bots to get better. AI literally created a play where 1 character pushes hard and when health drops to under 40% he would start to run away knowing that the human player would chase him. And then the human player runs into AI’s trap.
Rocco Of The Desert
July 9, 2023 at 11:14 pm
You’re right. A lot of chess exercises are specifically queen sacrifices. And the example shown is a moderately difficult one at best. Levy Rozman is good at chess, but he’s also full of crap.
Derek Freeman
July 10, 2023 at 11:02 pm
The first 30 seconds is just dumb lol. Maybe in low time controls they wouldn’t do that, but even in rapid they’d have time to think and realize that’s a pretty obvious mating sequence.
waves
July 11, 2023 at 1:03 am
Butt vibrator
Devinex
July 12, 2023 at 2:02 pm
Just these people, whom you suspect, actually have a super cool compact convenient universal keyboard with artificial intelligence. Oops… sorry, my dog accidentally chose one brilliant outcome out of 996 million… next time I won’t let him near my tablet.
Okaro
July 12, 2023 at 8:07 pm
The trick is that if you know you are playing against a computer you know it is not just a stupid mistake and you will not so easily fall for it.
Quadraxis
July 13, 2023 at 3:58 pm
I can’t even count how many times I’ve played AI generated chess puzzles that basically requires you to sacrifice your queen for a potential victory only to scream at the screen that no one in their right mind would even consider it.
sunflower3636
July 15, 2023 at 6:10 am
I can only sacrifice a queen on accident or knowing I can do back rank
ThaProfitt lol
July 15, 2023 at 11:36 pm
2000 elo, opponent 1950, accuracy 98% and a rating of 2850.. that’s always suspicious
Petitio Principii
July 16, 2023 at 3:33 pm
While no human has played that exact sequence, I’d not be surprised if Mikhail Tal had come close, with some pretty similar stuff. But I’m not really a profound chess connoisseur to say for sure, maybe actual chess experts can clearly kind of draw a line between things Tal would do and things only engines would. The only thing I can sort of guess would that the engines would kind of out-Tal Tal, with the human Tal sequences probably not even scoring as high in the engine evaluation, where they’d perhaps come up with something even weirder/bolder (or rather more conventional, tame/human-like, possibly, at times. Sometimes some moves have a psychological effect of seemingly posing a great threat/surprise when there’s some defense that’s available, but neglected, not being as obvious as it would be to an engine or even to someone playing more calmly).
tino
July 17, 2023 at 5:17 am
izit still sus to get 98.9 without chess engine,especially if they resign
SmarteropMCTH (ช่องแยก)
July 17, 2023 at 11:42 am
I sac a queen for mate but analysis say it a blunder 💀💀