In this live conversation, online democracy advocate Eli Pariser explains the details surrounding the arrest of Telegram CEO Pavel Durov — and what it means for the future of tech oversight and free speech. (Recorded live on Wednesday, September 4, 2024)
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@tonym6566
September 4, 2024 at 2:29 pm
Soiled alert; it means governments don’t like free speech or giving up control over the masses. Privacy is now a thing of the past
@Leparkourguy
September 4, 2024 at 2:33 pm
Conversation begins at 2:13
@allliquid6320
September 4, 2024 at 3:05 pm
Nope dont care
@qorazx
September 4, 2024 at 7:17 pm
@@allliquid6320 not caring about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like not caring about free speech because you habe nothing to say. Just because neither applies to you doesn’t mean privacy and free speech should not be protected
@niccolom
September 5, 2024 at 2:39 am
If you don’t care about restriction of free speech, you will lose free speech. When that happens, it’ll be too late for you to care.
@louminisalouminios9559
September 5, 2024 at 7:20 pm
if you need to be told what to care about by obnoxious titles like this 1. your heads gone bust 2. you don’t care to do your own research anyway @@niccolom
@prebenso
September 4, 2024 at 3:12 pm
If you can arrest someone for what someone else is doing Then you must arrest weapon producers for all the murders that are commit with their guns. And so on with all products used by criminals. We are reaching full blown collective insanity. Is that what you want?
@mudgetheexpendable
September 4, 2024 at 3:41 pm
Fascinating topic. Take elocution lessons to get rid of the irritating “uhh uhh umm” timewasters.
@mykhailoparovyi
September 4, 2024 at 3:42 pm
А не хочете розповісти як русняві ракети складаються з західних компонентів?
@charlenephillips1031
September 4, 2024 at 3:46 pm
4:35 Charges against him
@chips1031
September 4, 2024 at 3:46 pm
4:35 Charges against him
@mateusnanet
September 4, 2024 at 3:59 pm
Specific governments want to take the data and make them not accessible, not exactly see the data.
@qorazx
September 4, 2024 at 4:43 pm
Free speech is dying. What a sad story
@kkchristy
September 4, 2024 at 7:04 pm
Says, always, the people who don’t understand the difference between freedom and anarchy.
@CreativeArtandEnergy
September 5, 2024 at 3:51 am
It’s about protecting the lives of people without a voice, that’s why we don’t want groups like this having a platform.
@Schmidtelpunkt
September 5, 2024 at 4:14 am
If free speech for you mean the absence of any responsibility for what has been said, it never existed in the first place.
@MorpheusDelta
September 5, 2024 at 8:32 am
Free Speech is not an excuse to do crime
@fleshtonegolem
September 4, 2024 at 4:44 pm
Telegram traffics a ton of illegal content. Its a siloed location to exchange this. Its just a less cumbersome way to achieve silk road/Tor browser Darkweb access.
@jessekoehn5184
September 4, 2024 at 5:59 pm
I wish they weren’t quite so misleading on such a respected platform as TED. A platform that strives to get to the truth.
I am not a developer, so I haven’t deep-dived into Telegram’s open-source code; but I have followed Telegram from the beginning. Their stated policies have changed slightly over the years, but I feel they have been misrepresented here. I understand there can be a large discrepancy between what a company says they are going to do and what they actually do – especially when it comes to the human aspect of things like content moderation – but most of their policies are directly coded into how Telegram the service operates.
Telegram clearly states in their policies that cloud private chats are fully encrypted by default and cannot be viewed by Telegram. If you still do not trust that (their code is open-source if you want to verify), then you can create a secret chat where there is no trace left on Telegram servers, and all the data of the chats is only stored on-device at either end of the chat. Like Signal. The advantage of this approach in Telegram is the trust in the security of your private conversations, and peace of mind in the access to your chat history in the case of losing your phone. Unlike Signal. The separation, and this is clearly stated by Telegram, is you cannot do anything you want on the Public side of Telegram. There are clear community guidelines you must follow for the public-social media side of Telegram. I feel like that is a slightly different conversation than the one they are having above.
That has to do with a company’s responsibility to do what they say they would do, and their responsibility to do right when what one individual says can reach large audiences.
Telegram also has a stated policy of complying with government inquiries for access to an individual’s data. I will say it is very stringent, so I understand why a government would not like it; but it does build trust in the privacy of your personal data. Telegram’s policy is they will comply with a governmental request when an individual’s malicious actions threaten multiple national entities. If multiple government entities come together and agree on the dangerous nature of one individual, Telegram states they will comply. I feel like that is a different conversation if that has happened, and Telegram has not complied with such a request… Or if they have not moderated content well enough on Public facing common spaces, or otherwise not followed through on what they said they would do.
@Kelbyn_
September 4, 2024 at 6:14 pm
Meanwhile at Epstein island nobody is accounted for.. 😒
@mbergamin16
September 4, 2024 at 6:28 pm
And not a whisper about YouTube censorship
@franciscollingwood7372
September 4, 2024 at 6:25 pm
0:00 – illiterate ramblings begin.
TL;DR: If you allow illegality or lack of decency on the platform from which you earn money, expect a knock on the door from one of the countries in which you attract an audience.
One’s free speech does not (nor should not) inhibit the peaceful rights of another.
Words & behaviour are accountable, people.🤝
@Kelbyn_
September 4, 2024 at 6:40 pm
23:51 “Ehm uhm ehm..”
Kim Jong Un and Maduro are happy to approve this censorship on the platform 🤝
– Are Democrats really discussing banning a company for misusing their tool instead of prosecuting whoever uses it to commit evil?
– As someone says; “it’s like closing down the arms industry instead of catching the murderer”
@nuuun9137
September 4, 2024 at 6:56 pm
Mastodon and bluesky will be the next on the hit list. Still, the only question is that should or should not tech platforms allows localised government to monitor all conversations within the spaces itself? And the only solution is to allow government to grab data of specific individuals and group while having a play in content moderation for the sake of national security
@Argentvs
September 4, 2024 at 8:29 pm
Someone teach this guy to speak. He can’t stop saying ah ah am ah, so fkin annoying.
And no, no government should decide what free speech is. Stop justifying rowelian surveillance and censorship with nice words and faking good intentions.
@Schmidtelpunkt
September 5, 2024 at 8:56 am
“no government should decide what free speech is”
Who else should? Billionaires?
@Argentvs
September 5, 2024 at 10:10 am
@@Schmidtelpunkt nobody. Government is politicians, which are no more than corrupt people, the trash of society, liars, mafia.
If you support free speech regulation you are just handing over the power to decide what you can read, hear, watch and say to politicians which will use it for their goals as they see fit.
There should be no regulations, everyone should do whatever they want. If they do criminal stuff, then the justice will have to catch them.
Already Europe they decide what is dangerous speech and block media sources and jail people. All at the wim of the local bureaucrat.
You can be jailed for accessing dangerous ( as the state says so) media. So free. Say whatever you want about Russia Today, but they are no different than BBC. With the exception RT is blocked in Europe and BBC and DW aren’t in Russia, in fact they have offices there.
It makes you think when the supposed dystopian dictatorship allows opposing foreign media and the supposed freedom countries have bureaucrats dictating what is dangerous thinking, blocking media, jailing people, and enacting laws that says the state will protect it’s citizens from harmful content and ideas (dictated by them) by only allowing them to watch, hear and read what the state dictates is truth and good.
@Sterlin-Lujan
September 5, 2024 at 6:06 pm
@@Schmidtelpunkt Decentralization and truly p2p, anonymized tech is going to make this discussion moot soon enough.
@senig60
September 9, 2024 at 2:35 am
@@Schmidtelpunkt No one should decide what free of speech means for anyone. As easy as that …
@Schmidtelpunkt
September 9, 2024 at 4:24 am
@@senig60 So it should be a meaningless term without a definition, because everything can be free speech? And that should somehow be a fundamental part of our civilization? Maybe we should do the same with money – nobody should decide what it means. Everybody should just scribble numbers on paper and be allowed to take whatever they want from stores in exchange for it, because clearly that would work out perfectly. Right.
@1st1anarkissed
September 4, 2024 at 8:34 pm
Without denying us the right of free association, they have sneakily stolen away all our 3rd places. Then, given us a censored and surveilled simulacrum. Start talking to strangers in person.
@Owenwithee
September 4, 2024 at 10:42 pm
The charges include complicity in the distribution of child abuse images, drug trafficking and failure to comply with law enforcement requests.
@CuriosityIgnited
September 4, 2024 at 11:02 pm
Telegram: Where free speech meets ‘Oops, the cops found out about our secret group chat.’
@D.Enniss
September 5, 2024 at 12:58 am
I know what Telegram is used for, if anything he should have been arrested sooner. For once you guys are out of touch.
Free speech ends when the endangerment of others begins
@disquietawe
September 5, 2024 at 5:37 am
Only 3 minutes in before I can’t listen to this guy any more. He should have written himself a script to read. I assume if every verbal crutch was edited out of this 51 minute video, it would only be 10 minutes long.
@ajswiss
September 5, 2024 at 6:58 am
really? ãhm, ähm, ähm, ähm, a a a, ähm.
@user-yx9em2kw6x
September 5, 2024 at 11:40 am
Agree
@rrrndmg
September 5, 2024 at 6:09 am
Snowden told you, but you don’t care. Yeah-yeah they surely aim onto bad people. And guess who decide if you’re bad or not. Living in delusion of government’s good will while reading your messages might be so sweet and easy
@RoskildeJonas
September 5, 2024 at 7:25 am
This guy was told to make the interview over uhhhhhm.. 50 minutes
@galamethbluesummers7231
September 5, 2024 at 5:44 pm
With regard to his exemplifying that mastadon, BS, etc are shining beacons of how it should be done, not a single braincell spent on the exceptionally harmful effects of creating the perfect echo chambers. Don’t like reality, or an opposing opinion? No biggie, create your own social hub where you can selectively censor anything you don’t want to acknowledge and surround yourself with people who parrot the sentiment. It isn’t about just the trope big ones (racism, extremism, CSAM, and so on) it’s about entirely isolating yourself and people from dissenting opinion of __any__ kind to your own flavor. It’s wholesale promotion of abdicating an individuals responsibility to accept reality and absconding to a self imposed construct where nothing can challenge their view. The repeated injection of “democratically chosen” social norms and policies with dismissal and non comment on the idea that a large collection of opinions and beliefs should be imposed over other populations who were also “democratically chosen” but no reconciliation of “but which groups opinions are more valid” as the imminent issue that causes is also a bit rose colored glasses. Repeated fearmongering by raising the specter of “but the children” as a talking point tactic to forcefully align opposing opinion or dissent, mentions “lots of illegal things happen on tech platforms” but strictly hammers the most pearl clutching example over and over and over again. It’s tiresome that there are significant challenges and concerns but any attempt to achieve dialog between privacy/security communities and the general community/LEO communities at large is __always__ derailed by the attempt to cause moral outrage among the population rather than decisive broad education of the issues and points to overcome and turns into “because this thing that we know people will be disgusted by could and does happen, we need to wholesale eliminate __all__ forms of protection” and if innocent people get swept up in the crawling and harvesting of info, too bad it was for the greater good. Want to talk about a real issue surrounding why encryption and privacy should exist? Then lets talk about the MASSIVE data warehouses that are in the news every 5 seconds for their stuff being stolen, unprotected. How many times has Facebook (Meta), The Big Three credit reporting agencies, General Motors, Target, AT&T and on and on and on had to traipse out and say “oops, lol, we ruined your life for the 5th time this year even though you haven’t even recovered from the first two from three years ago but it’s okay, we gave you free credit monitoring for a year!” Where’s the mass government outrage and hyper focus on those? And the highly publicized coverage of exactly how the people responsible for that are being raked over the coals? And they want to __weaken__ that tiny bit of security that already is so ridiculously sub par? Why can’t I, as a citizen of any nation, have a very clear understanding of exactly where my information is? Why is personal information allowed to be traded and monetized among data brokers (ffs, we have a term for it XD) without my consent? And, more importantly, where tf is my cut of the money the data broker has made?
@louminisalouminios9559
September 5, 2024 at 7:19 pm
no i should not
@Summer-fi4qi
September 6, 2024 at 4:32 pm
Put the speed to 1.75, much easier to listen to
@RAZR_Channel
September 7, 2024 at 6:57 am
take a page from Ted: limit videos to around 10 minutes and get to points quickly… I’m not dealing with 50 minutes… I’m 19 minutes in and I’m done…
@karinlarsen2608
September 7, 2024 at 8:13 pm
This is like a training video of how to not speak. She goes too fast, He can’t stop saying
a, a, a, a, un, un, un, un, and, and, and
@StarcatcherDK
September 8, 2024 at 7:56 pm
6 minutes into the video he blamed Telegram for not being encrypted allowing for governments to see into, and for encrypting too well and not letting the French peek. I’m saving 45 minutes of the evening for some better source of information.